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* Kirtanananda/ Radhanatha swami and New Vrndavana updates.
* ROCANA WRITES WRONGS: Introduction.
1) ROCANA'S FALSE "GURU" LINEAGE.
2) SRIDHARA MAHARAJA/ ROCANA'S GURU REFORM.
3) ROCANA'S "INDIA BODY GURU" IDIOCY.
3) WHY IS ROCANA HIDING HIS GURU'S IDENTITY?
4) KUNDALI's TIMELY RETREAT.
5) SHOW BOTTLE BLUFFERS.
6) ROCANA CONFUTES HIMSELF.
7) ROCANA / KAILASHA'S SUPPORT FOR DEVIANT GURUS.
8) ROCANA CITES NON-EXISTING PEOPLE (yes even more bluffing)
9) ROCANA CENSORS HUNDREDS OF LETTERS.
10) ROCANA'S GURU HAS ONLY ONE DISCIPLE SINCE 1977 (major bluffers)!
11) BOGUS ASTROLOGERS (more bluffing).
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* Kirtanananda/ Radhanatha swami and New Vrndavana updates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V-KH-CxLto
This video includes talks by Radhanatha's hired lawyer namely Alan
Dershowitz. As soon as Kirtanananda is under legal pressure, a child
molester and a person implicated in murder, then Radhanatha swami says,
stop spending money on making repairs to the temples and let us hire a VERY
EXPENSIVE lawyer. "Much of Dershowitz's legal career has focused on
criminal law, and his clients have included high-profile figures such as
Patricia Hearst, Harry Reems, Leona Helmsley, Jim Bakker, Mike Tyson,
Michael Milken, O.J. Simpson and Kirtanananda Swami."
This is a new addition to the PADA web site:
http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/ks/nv-history-record.htm
This is only a very brief description. You should read the whole story with
all details. This is very revealing. Perhaps you will find something which
you did not know yet. The complete story is 18 pages, divided into 18
chapters. Please try to read them all. Here is the Link:
http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/ks/nv/index.htm
More videos have been added here:
[part 1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5HG80bJXu8
The remaining parts can be accessed here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=govinda107&p=r
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ROCANA WRITES WRONGS: Introduction
-- ROCANA: "If you study Srila Prabhupada's pastimes and hear his lectures,
you can understand that this whole idea some of the Rtviks are presenting
about how Srila Prabhupada is still present and never dies, and so on, is
ridiculous. It is an idea borne of sentiment, but it is not a sentiment
Srila Prabhupada taught us to express."
[PADA: Sorry Rocana, Srila Prabhupada constantly discusses how he is
ETERNALLY (i.e. always) "in the presence" of his ("departed?") guru
maharaja. Then again, Srila Prabhupada says the guru is "sad-guru"
(eternal). That means the guru exists forever. Srila Prabhupada says many
similar things such as: "So although a physical body is not present, the
vibration should be accepted as the presence of the Spiritual Master,
vibration. What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living."
(lecture, 69/01/13) These and hundreds of similar citations are Srila
Prabhupada's "mundane sentimentalism"? Rocana says "the eternal guru" is
"ridiculous" and he has reverted to the bogus Gaudiya Matha idea, "the asat
guru." Then again, the diksha guru "absorbs the sins" and what we find with
Rocana's "living gurus" is that they can barely save themselves from their
own sins.
Never mind the fact that Rocana has NO IDEA how pure devotees either can or
cannot communicate with one other, or with their sincere neophyte
disciples, on the spiritual plane. Rocana simply denies that "spiritual
communion" can function without the physical "material" elements. Here in
town we have "Madame Clair, psychic reader," and even she knows that one
can communicate with other souls, either with or without their needing a
physical body. Nor has Rocana ever made any shastric analysis of any of
these points. Sorry, the pure spiritual beings do not require the
"physical" (material) elements to communicate with one another, or with
their sincere (even neophyte) disciples.
Madame Clair has more spiritual idea than Rocana. Narayana Maharaja says
essentially the same thing, God and Guru are impotent without their
"physical bodies." That is apa-siddhanta. Then again, since Rocana is
leaving the job of "absorbing sins" to his ersatz Jesus the good news is
that -- just about everyone -- is finally realizing this is not working,
since the conditioned souls (i.e. neophyte devotees) are FORBIDDEN to try
to absorb the sins of others. And Srila Prabhupada says those who try to
artificially act in that capacity will meet with odious results, as we are
seeing practically with Rocana's so-called living guru's sabha.
* Srila Prabhupada: "Today, Sunday, November 10, 1974 -- corresponding to
the 10th of Kartikka, Caitanya Era 488, the eleventh day of the dark
fortnight, the Rama-ekadasi -- we have now finished the English translation
of Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami's Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in accordance
with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati
Thakur Gosvami Maharaja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and
friend. Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada passed away from this material
world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace
to be always present with me by his vani, his words."
Rocana says Srila Prabhupada is speaking mundane sentimentalism because
there is no such thing as the "eternal guru." Guru means: posthumous, dead
and not present? No, Srila Prabhupada wanted his followers to adopt his
idea that the guru (i.e. himself) is eternally living, and thus the guru
will living along with his followers -- forever. Rocana says Srila
Prabhupada's process is "sentimental." Sorry, the guru is eternally present
-- in his words, his books, his deity, and so on. Of course if Rocana can
find a nice misogynist whose bogus astrology readings say that California
is due to sink in the Pacific ocean next week, then Rocana falls off his
chair and he thinks he has met his eternal fortune-telling psychic idol.
At the same time NOTICE, Srila Prabhupada never mentions that he was going
to name, appoint or designate any "living gurus" to be worshiped after his
departure? Tamal Krishna admits to this in December of 1980, "You can bet
your bottom dollar that if Srila Prabhupada had wanted 'gurus' for after
his departure, he would have spoke about this for days, weeks, months, how
he wanted a (living guru) system and how this was going to be set up." No,
rather Srila Prabhupada said REPEATEDLY that he was NOT going to name
anyone as gurus. Moreover Srila Prabhupada said that the Gaudiya Matha's
premature guru process was offensive and "we should not commit the same
mistake in ISKCON." (SPL 1974) Nor does Rocana give any explanation for the
fact that so many people are taking up our Prabhupadanuga idea to worship
Srila Prabhupada, and they are being inspired to do so much service to
Krishna despite his so-called "physical departure." Of course Rocana's
Moab, Utah guru has made only one disciple since 1977, a disciple he had to
steal from us. Meanwhile we have made many thousands of Prabhupadanugas in
the same time period, and more are joining our idea every day, so it is
pretty clear whose idea is "living" and whose is "dead."]
* Srila Prabhupada: "It is not that he (Srila Saraswati) is dead and gone,
this is not spiritual understanding."
* Srila Prabhupada: "He lives Forever by his instructions and the follower
lives with him."
* Srila Prabhupada: "I will liver forever in my books and you will utilize."
* Srila Prabhupada: There are two conceptions, the physical conception and
the vibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary. The
vibrational conception is eternal. [...] When we feel separation from Krsna
or the Spirirual Master, we should just try to remember their words or
instructions, and we will no longer feel that separation. Such association
with Krsna and the Spiritual Master should be association by vibration not
physical presence. That is real association. (Elevation to Krsna
Consciousness, (BBT 1973), Page 57)
* Srila Prabhupada: So after publishing three parts of (Srimad Bhagatam)
readings(?), then automatically, Guru Maharaja gave me indication that "Now
you can start for America." (February 15, 1971 710215BA.GOR)
-- ROCANA: "Srila Prabhupada did not hesitate to mention the departure of
his Spiritual Master. He did not mince words, saying that Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati lived on forever, and had never disappeared, just
to create some false sentimental appearance of understanding that the
Spiritual Master lives on in his instructions."
[PADA: Amazing, Srila Saraswati Thakura appeared to Srila Prabhupada in a
dream -- after -- his so-called physical departure, and told him to take
sannyasa. And then later on Srila Saraswati told Srila Prabhupada to go to
America (see quote above). Now Rocana says, Srila Prabhupada's feeling the
presence of his guru, and his taking DIRECT instruction from his "departed"
guru -- is all nonsense. Narayana Maharaja says the same thing, the dreams
and instructions from Srila Saraswati to Srila Prabhupada "is nothing."
Rocana thinks that the eternal presence of God and guru is "nothing." Why
is Madame Clair a more faithful person than Rocana ever will be? Srila
Prabhupada says his guru is eternally present, Rocana says Srila
Prabhupada's guru is not present at all, and that for Srila Prabhupada to
feel the presence of his guru is "the bogus church of posthumous guru," who
is right?]
* Srila Prabhupada: Therefore we should take advantage of the Vani, not the
physical presence. (Letter to Suci Devi Dasi, 4/11/75)
[PADA: Of course, if Rocana can find some nice misogynistic bogus
astrologer, who hides in Moab, Utah waiting for the atom bombs to drop,
along with one similarly paranoid follower, and who stole his only, sole,
single disciple from us, then Rocana bows down and thinks he has met the
next Jesus of Nazareth. Apparently, Srila Prabhupada should never have come
to America since this instruction "is nothing." This means Rocana says it
is bogus that Krishna consciousness came to the USA, since the "order" came
after 1936! How can Srila Prabhupada receive instructions from his guru
after 1936, if Srila Saraswati is "no longer present" -- according to
Rocana? At least now we know where one's sins will be absorbed at. Rocana
says, "Mail in all your sins to Eric Johanssen in Moab, Utah, and they will
be absorbed, you are now in the clear. Do not forget to add the fifty
dollars tithe."
And then Rocana says we are "the Church idea," meanwhile Rocana thinks he
has found the next Jesus who is going to absorb sins.
Actually Rocana is envious that Srila Prabhupada got the order from his
"post-samadhi guru" to come to America, because then Srila Prabhupada made
so many thousands of Prabhupadanugas who will never bow down to Rocana's
Moab, Utah crack-pot guru. Rocana says that Srila Prabhupada's getting the
order to come to America is bogus. That apparently means: Kailasha Chandra
and Rocana are mad that Krishna consciousness even came to the West via
Srila Prabhupada -- without any need for their officiating rubber stamp of
approval. NOTICE that Rocana is also citing the Gaudiya Matha, "the order
is nothing, who cares for the order of guru, we know better than guru." Of
course, this is also how the Pharisees argued after Jesus was crucified,
"Who says people can still be inspired by Jesus -- since he is dead and
gone. This is Church idea." We are glad that Rocana admits he using the
identical apa-siddhanta of the Pharisees, of course since Rocana supported
the worship of ISKCON's Judas sabha he may have to wait to be as elevated
as the Pharisees.]
-- ROCANA: "Instead, he called a spade a spade when referring to the fact
that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta had departed. So this Rtvik conception that it
is blasphemy to say Srila Prabhupada has departed is simply nonsense."
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada does call a spade a spade, he says that the people
(like Rocana) who think that gurus like Srila Saraswati are "dead and gone"
are: jackals stealing from the lion, fourth class men, bugs biting the
king, severe offenders, hogs and dogs, cock roach gurus, guru mara vidya --
killers of guru, guru bhoghis, guru tyagis, guru aparadhis, pasandis, and
so many other similar things. The ritviks have also never said that Srila
Prabhupada has not physically departed. Rocana is so isolated from reality
he has never heard of our forwarding the poison case which details the
departure of Srila Prabhupada, of course then Rocana's being the amongst
the enablers of the worship of Srila Prabhupada's evident attackers -- at
least according to the relevant audio taped and other forensics.
Why doesn't Rocana quit hiding behind his puppet master in Moab, Utah and
realize the larger world out here? What we actually said all along is: that
the physical departure of the body (vapuh) of the guru is not the
significant item since the main thing is to follow the words (vani) of the
spiritual master. We also said, if the departure was forced by malefic
actions, then we must take action to expose that. Rocana can only win an
argument by straw man technique, he mis-cites us, but as we see above he
also mis-cites Srila Prabhupada -- to beat up on Srila Prabhupada's points.
Rocana even says Jesus is a bogus person because people worship him as "the
Church idea," ooops, they forgot to worship Rocana's misogynist puppet
masters.]
* Srila Prabhupada: So now, by the grace of Krishna and Caitanya Mahaprabhu
and in the presence of my Guru Maharaja, you are so nice boys and girls.
(Atlanta, March 2, 1975 750302BA.ATL)
[PADA: Notice, we are still "in the presence" of Srila Saraswati even
though he "physically departed" in 1936.]
* Srila Prabhupada: So in the absence of physical presentation of the
spiritual master, the Vaniseva is more important. My Spiritual Master
Sarsavati Goswami, may appear to be physically not present, but still
because I try to serve his instruction, I never feel separated from him.
(Letter to Karandhara, 22/8/70)
* I am always with you. Never mind if I am physically absent. (Letter to
Jayananda, 16/9/67)
* So that is called prakata, physically present. And there is another
phrase, which is called aprakata, not physically present. But that does not
mean, Krsna is dead or God is dead. That does not mean, prakata or
aprakata, physically present or not present, it does not matter. (Lectures
SB 73/12/11)
[PADA: Yep, sounds like bogus sentimentalism, the guru is eternal and not
Rocana's postmortem dead guy, and/or his vaccuum cleaner salesman guru
hiding out in Moab Utah. Notice also that Srila Prabhupada calls Rocana an
atheist in the citation above, the atheists say God does not exist because
"He is not physically present." Srila Prabhupada says that the guru is
"shaksat hari," same as God in qualitiy, so when the guru is not present he
is "postmortem" and thus "shaksat" God is also "postmorten" when God is not
present. Why is Rocana trying to establish that God and guru are: dead?]
(1) ROCANA'S FALSE "GURU" LINEAGE. The Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda
maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team
has artificially claimed for many, many years -- that everyone (including
Rocana) needs to have a current, physically present diksha guru. And
Rocana's team originally based all of their idea on their
mis-interpretation of "The July 9th letter" which they claimed had
"appointed" eleven diksha gurus. And the result of Rocana's team
mis-interpreting the July 9th letter was that deviants, criminals,
homosexuals, child molesters and even murderers were being worshiped as
Rocana's team's "gurus" in ISKCON. Of course Sridhara Maharaja had already
started a similar bogus "guru appointment" problem in the post-1936 Gaudiya
Matha, and so he became the darling "advisor" of Rocana's post-1977 bogus
ISKCON gurus. Srila Prabhupada told us, do not go to the Gaudiya Matha, but
Rocana began immersing in their bogus idealogy and he still is.
What these combined deviants failed to realize is that the post of
initiating (diksha) guru requires special benediction from the Lord, not
merely the votes from some bogus committee: "On the whole you may know that
he (Bon Maharaja) is not a liberated person, and therefore he cannot
initiate any person to Krishna Consciousness. It requires special
benediction from higher authorities." (Srila Prabhupada Letter to
Janardana, 26/4/68) Srila Prabhupada also says that "mundane votes have no
juristiction over the acharyas." Whereas the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura
Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team has created the
spectacle that their "guru" becomes wayward and then their "committee" has
to guide their wayward guru back to "following the basics." In sum, their
policy is that: Jesus needs to votes of the Pharisees before he can speak.
Some call this atheism.
Oddly, Rocana now says that those of us who resisted his team's wild
speculation on the July 9th letter, and the criminal enterprise Rocana
launched in the name of guru "have never understood the July 9th letter."
Sorry, that letter does not mention the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda
maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team's immediate "diksha gurus
after I depart" process. The July 9th letter merely indicates temporary and
replaceable proxies, not guru successors. Thus, the process of the
Governing Body ordered by Srila Prabhupada was scuttled, and without proper
managing this resulted in -- widespread criminality.
* Paramananda: We're always feeling your presence very strongly, Srila
Prabhupada, simply by your teachings and your instructions. We're always
meditating on your instructions.
* Srila Prabhupada: Thank you. That is the real presence. Physical presence
is not important.
(Room Conversation, Vrndavana, 6/10/77)
Unfortunately, the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC
gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team's idea is the complete opposite of Srila
Prabhupada's, the deviants say that the "physically present body" is the
whole thing. Unfortunately, they usually insist that we need to worship a
deviant's "living body." Srila Prabhupada says that people like Sridhara
Maharaja make false gurus and then they "insist" that everyone has to
accept their conditioned soul guru. Srila Prabhupada never said he wanted
his disciples to jump up and artificially "act as guru," and start "Gaudiya
Matha's deviant guru imbroglio part two."
Srila Prabhupada: "If everyone just initiates there will be contradictory
result. As long as it goes on, there will be only failure." (Srila
Prabhupada's Phalgun Krishnan Pancami, verse 23, 1961). Srila Prabhupada
says clearly, the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda Maharaja/ bogus GBC
gurus/ Rocana plan WILL ONLY BE FAILURE. In fact, we have never even needed
the (additional) evidence of the July 9th letter per se. That letter merely
confirms what Srila Prabhupada had already been saying in hundreds of other
places since 1965, that after his departure he was only going to make a
body of administrators for ISKCON, and not gurus.
Interviewer: What happens when that inevitable time comes a successor is
needed.
Ramesvara: He is asking about the future, who will guide the Movement in
the future.
Srila Prabhupada: They will guide, I am training them.
Interviewer: Will there be one spiritual leader though?
Srila Prabhupada: No. I am training GBC, 18 all over the world. (Srila
Prabhupada Interview, 10/6/76, Los Angeles)
PADA: Where is there any order for "diksha gurus"? We offered a $108,000
reward for any proof of any appointment of any gurus by Srila Prabhupada,
and no one came forward to collect the reward, certainly not bluffers like
Kailasha and Rocana. Srila Prabhupada simply did not emphasize that his
followers would be gurus anytime soon, rather he emphasized the need for
them to keep the FOCUS on him and his instructions and writings: "He lives
forever by his instructions, and the follower lives with him; I will live
forever in my books and you will utilize; So there is nothing to be said
new. Whatever I have to speak, I have spoken in my books. Now you try to
understand it and continue your endeavour. Whether I am present or not
present it doesn't matter." (Srila Prabhupada Arrival conversation,
17/5/77, Vrindavan)
Srila Prabhupada is not saying, "I will live on -- in my successor gurus,
who will be writing their own books etc." He was rather emphasizing that
his followers were neophytes who would still be very much dependent upon
his instructions, books, worship and so on. "As far as my blessing is
concerned, it does not require my physical presence. If you are chanting
Hare Krishna there, and following my instructions, reading the books,
taking only Krishna prasadam etc., then there is no question of your not
receiving the blessings of Lord Caitanya, whose mission I am humbly trying
to push on." (SP Letter to Govinda Dasi, 18/8/69) Oddly, Rocana's team
sometimes agrees with us that at the present time no one is pure enough to
write Vedic books as Srila Prabhupada did. If Rocana's gurus are not pure
enough to write the Vedas, then how are they gurus? And so we have
countered the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/
Rocana/ et al. team -- all along -- by asking: please identify "who" are
your current, physically present "living gurus"? And why can't people still
get the blessings of Srila Prabhupada even now?
Of course we already know that the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda
maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team's first wave of post-1977
"living gurus" were the ilk of women abusers (misogynists), homosexuals,
criminals and pedophiles like Kirtanananda. This was their original idea of
what a "guru" is. In sum, their team has duplicated the post-1936 Gaudiya
Matha's false guru process. The Gaudiya Matha's deviant's plan was to make
false gurus and this process divided the Gaudiya Matha, and now the above
folks are contiunuing that process in ISKCON which now has similar "guru
factions."
SRILA PRABHUPADA: "Those disciples who were irresolute in performing
devotional service according to your instructions have now divided your
mission in many factions. It appears that the tigress of ambition for
material names and fame has appeared and personally provoked this upheaval.
... The essential purport of your message obviously did not enter their
ears." Srila Prabhupada says that supporters of the false guru processes,
like Rocana, had never heard his message in the first place.
2) SRIDHARA MAHARAJA/ ROCANA'S GURU REFORM. Then in 1986 Sridhara and
Narayana Maharajas encouraged Rocana's "guru reform," so they could foist
unlimited waves upon waves of even more of their creepy criminals,
homosexuals, and women abusers to be "voted in" as ISKCON's successive
WAVES of "pure devotee" gurus. How did you guess, the post-1936 Gaudiya
Matha also started the same subsequent "waves and waves" of false gurus
after their first wave started crashing on the beach. Never mind that
Rocana has never explained how "pure devotees" whom his group first
advertised to be "like Jesus, Haridasa and Prahlad" could need "reform,"
and excommunication, and would need to then be replaced by another wave of
"gurus"? And how could a pure devotee guru be "voted in" by the first wave
-- if they are deviants? These are merely a few of thousands of questions
that Rocana never answers, because he cannot.
As a result of Rocana's "guru reform policy," then folks like Gopal Krishna
swami were "voted in" as the next tier of ISKCON's gurus. And Rocana
graduated to promoting Gopal Krishna swami as his "living guru," despite he
was "voted in" by other misogynists like Kirtanananda. Srila Prabhupada
explains that Rocana's "more waves of gurus" plan is simply "another man
comes, then another and another (to be guru) and in this way they killed
guru to become gurus themselves." Rocana's plan of making false gurus is
killing the actual guru. Rocana's team are like cult leaders such as
Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones: "You cannot worship Jesus, you
have to worship us deviants." Then again Rocana's gurus are "voted in" --
which is how the Vatican "votes" for the Pope. None of this was ever
authorized by Srila Prabhupada. Rcoana never replies to any questions on
these issues.
Worse, Rocana's second wave of gurus like Gopal Krishna swami seemed to be
almost as bad as the first wave. For example Gopal Krishna's swami's wife
complained she had been kicked in her stomach while she was pregnant by the
"swami." This is "pure behavior" for Rocana's new "gurus"? And the pattern
continues, Rocana is now promoting Kailasha Chandra as his current living
guru, and we all know why, here is YET another person who has a history of
misteating ISKCON women as Kailasha mistreated Jadurani. In short, we
already know that whatever so-called "living guru" will emerge from
Rocana's heap of gurus, that guru will more than likely be another one of
Rocana's misogynistic gurus. Then again Narayana Maharaja abandoned his
child wife just after she had a baby, Kirtanananda mistreated women, Gopal
Krishna kicked his pregnant wife, Kailasha Chandra acted like a bully
tyrant towards his wife (so she left him), these are the heros of guys like
Rocana.
3) ROCANA'S "INDIA BODY GURU" IDIOCY. In later 1979, Gopal Krishna said we
need to worship some "Indian bodied gurus." He threatened the eleven "white
boy" gurus that they had better make him a guru or else Gopal Krishna would
"destroy them in India." Needless to say, "the eleven white boys" ran off
to hold an emergency meeting and vote in Gopal Krishna forthwith, out of
fear of his threats. Rocana then became a big flag waver for Gopal Krishna.
Rocana has promoted that gurus are white boys, India boys, and so on and so
forth. No wonder he now thinks bogus astologers with one stolen disciple
are bona fide gurus.
On 2nd November 1977, just twelve days before his disappearance, Srila
Prabhupada was asked about his "successor." Prabhupada: (Some Indians had
asked) 'After you who will take the leadership?' Everyone will take, all my
disciples. If you want, you can take also. (Laughter) But if you follow.
They are prepared to sacrifice everything, so they'll take the leadership.
I may, one, may go away, but there will be hundreds, and they'll preach. If
you want, you can also become a leader. We have no such thing, that 'here
is (the next) leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership, he is a
leader. 'Indian,' we have no such distinctions, 'Indian,' 'European.'
Brahmananda: They wanted an Indian to be the leader?
Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone, all my disciples, they are leaders. As purely as
they follow, they become a leader. 'You are Indian but you don't want (to
follow strictly).' I told them that.
Tamala Krishna: Yes, they probably wanted to propose somebody who would
take over our movement.
Appointment: all nonsense. Prabhupada: "Yes. 'Leaders.' All nonsense.
Leader means one who has become first class disciple. He is leader. Evam
parampara praptam. One who is perfectly following... Our instruction is ara
na kariha mane asa. You know this? What is that? Guru mukha padma vakya,
cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa. Who is leader? A leader, to
become leader, is not very difficult, provided one is prepared to follow
the instructions."
Additionally, in the same conversation, Srila Prabhupada remarked to an
Indian gentleman, "Only Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (an incarnation of Krishna)
can take my place. He will take care of the movement."
3) WHY IS ROCANA HIDING HIS GURU'S IDENTITY? In any case, we NOW know why
Rocana currently refuses to give us the NAME of his alleged living guru,
because we keep exposing his "worship of misogynists" process, and so he
cleverly does not tell us he is worshiping yet another women abuser. Rocana
knows that as soon as he identifies his so-called living guru, we will
examine his character and so on, and so to avoid any futher critical
analysis of his bogus gurus he simply refuses to tell us "who" his living
guru is nowadays. This is actually a good sign, we have forced Rocana to be
more humble and quit making so much false propaganda for his false gurus.
Now Rocana hides out, Kailasha hides out, and the identity of their guru
remains hidden, that is because they fear our expose of their long line of
bogus gurus and resultant criminal mayhem, molesting, murders and so on.
4) KUNDALI's TIMELY RETREAT. And how did you guess, Rocana is not the only bluffer
in this group -- people that refuse to give us "the name" of their alleged
living gurus -- probably because we will be able to identify Rocana's
guru's mysogynist tendencies. Similarly, Rocana's pal Kundali also loudly
advertised (on Rocana's site) that he too has "a living guru." Then Kundali
proved to be yet another major bluffer, he refused to give us the name of
his alleged guru. However, we might get a hint of Kundali's "living guru's"
actual identity. Kundali was praising the Gaudiya Matha's founder fathers
of the 1936 homosexual, and misogynist's, and orchestrated murder, guru
imbroglio. Most likely Kundali is a supporter of the deviant post-1936
homosexual's guru lineage process. And this is probably why Rocana has been
promoting Kundali, anyone who advocates for the worship of deviants,
homosexuals and misogynists as "Krishna's successors" is an ally to Rocana.
Perhaps PADA's "challenge to Kundali to identify his living guru" is the
reason why Kundali no longer writes anymore. We at PADA had severely
frustrated Kundali by asking him, over and over, to -- name -- his alleged
living guru, and he was unable to come up with any name whatsoever. In
other words, Kundali was simply another big bluffer and that is the kind of
person Rocana likes to promote on his web site. So whether it is Rocana,
Kailasha or Kundali, we find that Rocana's major allies nowadays never
specify the identities of their alleged living gurus, they are all united
as being big bluffers. They know as soon as they "identify" their alleged
guru BY NAME, we will probably be able to point out that their guru is a
deviant, women abuser, if not a criminal, pedophile, homosexual, etc. In
sum it now seems that the real reason the Rocana team are not openly
"giving us the name" of their "living gurus" is that we keep finding that
they are simply promoting: (a) Rocana's misogynist's post-1977 "guru" wave
number one, (b) Rocana's "reformed" misogynists and pedophiles guru wave
number two, (c) the "gurus" voted in by the Rocana's first wave of
pedophiles and deviants, wave number three, and so on.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: "Your so-called disciple, the jackal named Ananta
Vasudeva, disobeyed your final instructions to keep the mission united (by
forming a Governing Body), and thereby created a scandalous fiasco. The
result of this philosophical deviation is evident to this day as imitative
sahajiyas are being worshiped as gurus in your temples. ... Is there a
single temple to be found where your instructions are still being followed?
As it is said: "punar musiko bhava"- Everyone has "again become a mouse."
The lion's food has been stolen away by the deceptive tricks of the jackal.
Now caught in Maya's mighty clutches everyone is reduced to wailing and
weeping."
PADA: Rocana's false gurus "have reduced everyone to wailing and weeping."
And he is proud of this! And now we know how these jackals are able to
steal the guru's seat, they have big apoligsts, cheer leaders, and allies
like Sridhara/ Narayana/ Bogus GBC/ Rocana etc. At least we have done
something to counteract Rocana's jackal guru process in ISKCON, while none
of the Gaudiya Matha temples went back to exclusive worship of Srila
Saraswati, we Prabhupadanugas are gradually converting many ISKCON devotees
and even some ISKCON temples back to worship of his divine grace. We are
doing what Sridhara Maharaja and his pals never could dream of doing.
5) SHOW BOTTLE BLUFFERS. In point of fact, we find all of these people get
quite angry when we ask them to identify their alleged living gurus because
we keep expsoing their gurus as frauds. As Srila Prabhupada says, this
proves that they are jackal gurus and in sum "show-bottle bluffers." They
currently have little desire to promote the names of their living gurus,
that means they are now trying to promote themselves as the "living
authorities" and they are merely using the "living guru" argument to
leverage themselves up to the post of "living link to Krishna." You need a
lving authority, ummm, OK it's me! Yes, you need to surreneer to and
worship the people who promoted women abusers, homosexuals, pedophiles and
murderers as "living gurus."
6) ROCANA CONFUTES HIMSELF. Oddly, Rocana and his "living guru-ites" team
simultaneously confute their own "living guru" argument and they join with
us (and/or the ritviks) by saying that Srila Prabhupada is "the current
sampradaya acharya." In sum, Rocana sometimes promotes our arguments, then
he says anyone who agrees with his own argument -- is a deviant. Is Rocana
is trying to create confusion so he can slip in another woman abuser as his
next guru? Not only Rocana but sometimes even the biggest bogus GBC gurus
like Sivarama will admit that we are ALL supposed to act as "siksha
(instructing) devotees" (aka ritviks). Rocana tries to confuse people by
supporting both our view (that Srila Prabhupada is the current guru link)
and the bogus guru's views (that Srila Prabhupada's still conditioned
followers are the current guru links). This is amazing, if we agree with
Rocana that Srila Prabhupada is the current sampradaya acharya, he says we
are "foolish sentimentalists." He is speaking in forked tongue, ummm, which
is the behavior of Satan is it not?
Nothing new, this is what Gaudiya Matha deviants like Narayana Maharaja do
this all the time. "Yes, Srila Prabhupada is the current sampradaya
acharya, but you need a -- living guru, hey how about some of our nice
misogynists -- to link to Krishna, and I have volunteered myself and other
fools like the bogus GBC gurus to do that job." So it is interesting that
these bluffers sometimes use our argument, that Srila Prabhupada is the
current link, that we need to act as shiksha and ritvik devotees, then they
will say Srila Prabhupada is not the current link and anyone who thinks he
is -- is "a ritvik not case," so they can imply that they or their
misogynist pals are the current link and all this so: they can confuse and
victimize the innocent.
7) ROCANA / KAILASHA'S SUPPORT FOR DEVIANT GURUS. Let us not forget however
that folks like Rocana and Narayana Maharaja actively supported the regime
of the worship of homosexual peodphiles like Kirtanananda as "God's living
links," and that Kailasha Chandra wrote a paper to support the homosexual
pedophile's guru regime in 1990. In sum, the hands of people like Rocana,
Narayana Maharaja and Kailasha are full of the blood of many victims, and
they have not ever acknowledged their crime of aiding and abetting the
worship of criminals and child molesters as Krishna's guru successors.
Rocana always claims that he wants "accountability," but he has never been
accountable for his own supporting of the worship of child molesters as
God's "living gurus." So these people are all bluffers, they never publicly
apologize for their crimes of supporting the worship of pedophiles as
"living gurus."
8) ROCANA CITES NON-EXISTING PEOPLE (yes even more bluffing). At the same
time NOTICE, Rocana's frequent posters "Parampara dasa" and "Balavidya
dasa" do not seem to exist. No one has ever heard of these two indivuduals.
Rocana refuses to identify who they are. It seems that these two names are
non-existing persons, i.e. "pen names" for Rocana and/or Kailasha Chandra.
Both of these (non-existing?) folks has also refused to identify their
living gurus, despite that we asked them to provide the names.
9) ROCANA CENSORS HUNDREDS OF LETTERS. Rocana refuses to post letters from
us, most ritviks, Praghosa, Yasodanandana and many others, he ALWAYS
promotes the writings (and guru status) of Kailasha Chandra dasa. For
example, when we see articles written by "Eric Johanssen" on Rocana's web
site this was actually written by Kailasha Chandra. Then again the names
"Eric Johanssen," "Parampara dasa" and "Balavidya dasa" are also thought to
be pen names for Kailasha Chandra.
10) ROCANA'S GURU HAS ONLY ONE DISCIPLE SINCE 1977! Now it turns out that
Rocana has finally identified his "living guru." Rocana is more and more
exclusively posting the writings of Kailasha Chandra dasa and his alter pen
names, so this is the guru Rocana is currently promoting, although
sometimes Rocana promotes the writings of other ISKCON gurus like Sivarama,
Bhakti Marga and others, Kailasha has emerged as the principle personality
on Rocana's web site -- by volume of posts.
As we all know, PADA editor was living in Berkeley and we preached to
Hansadutta's followers to accept Srila Prabhupada as their guru, and we had
great success there. One of the people we convinced to accept Srila
Prabhupada as his guru was "Vrndavana Chandra dasa" (Eric Johanssen)." Then
Kailasha Chandra suddenly appeared on the scene, declared that he was "a
living guru," and he "re-initiated" Hansadutta's former disciple "Vrdnavana
Chandra" as "Riktaharsana dasa."
Oddly, people often confuse this name and they ask PADA, "Why did Kailasha
name his only disicple 'Ritvik-harsana'"? In other words, since 1977
Rocana's guru has made only one disciple, and he had to steal that disciple
from us! Meanwhile we have made THOUSANDS of Prabhupadanugas. Srila
Prabhupada says these false gurus Gaudiya Matha who have a few dozen
disciples are "cock roach gurus," well Rocana's program is not even up to
the standard of the lice that reside on the back of the cock roach. ONE GUY
is all you can convince since 1977!
11) BOGUS ASTROLOGERS. Now Kailasha Chandra --and his promoter Rocana -- say
that the process of the worship of Srila Prabhupada (the ritvik idea)
"transmits nescience." Meanwhile, Kailiash Chandra is always hiding out
some remote area, waiting for WW III, and/or "the big earthquake" which he
says: will sink the Western USA. Then again, Kailasha spouts numerous other
fake, bogus, charlatan "doomsday scenarios" all according to Kailasha's
bogus "astrology readings" and "prediction" over the years. Are not all
these false predictions "tranmission of nescience"? Was not Bhakti Tirtha
always talking about the fact that the Lost Continent of Mu would
re-surface and that the aliens were coming and so on and so forth?
Srila Prabhupada says that in Vedic times, a person giving these false
predictions (and making people move all over the USA seeking shelter from
Kailasha's various alleged "end of the world" scenarios) would be arrested
and punished by the righteous king. Of course nowadays anyone who renders
false astrology readings is glorified by folks like Rocana.
Only Harikesha's bogus doomsday predictions could top the Kailasha/ Rocana
process. No wonder Rocana is attracted to this crack pot astrologer, just
like he was originally attracted to support Kirtanananda in 1978. Are not
these deviant astrologers "tranmitting nescience" -- not to speak of fear
mongering, like the bogus politicians are always doing? We are telling
people to worship Srila Prabhupada, read his books, and accept him as one's
guru, and Rocana says worship of Srila Prabhupada is bogus and "nescience."