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1) SRILA PRABHUPADA's LETTERS
2) Narayana Maharaja, Lecture given on September 19th, 1994
3) The KAILASHA CHANDRA imbroglio.
4) ROCANA says: Srila Prabhupada does not speak clearly, only Rocana does?
5) MIRACLE MAN! Facts about Srila Narayana Maharaja:
6) IRM update
7) History is Always Written by the Victors BY: PRAGHOSA DASA
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WHO are they? http://www.gopalshealthfoods.com/
RITVIK DEBATE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ3ZOTJFHdo
PADA's new music: http://myspace.com/trancelooper
01) Archives of Srila Prabhupada on MP3:
http://www.archive.org/details/Bhaktivedanta-Swami-Prabhupada
02) Prabhupadanugas discussions groups: http://groups.myspace.com/prabhupada
03) About Tripurari swami's son (Bhakti Beaudry)
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/black/tripura3.htm
04) Photos of the bogus gurus: http://www.harekrsna.org/guru-photos.htm
05) Preaching in Queens NY:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4494513264869599631&q=prabhupada+ha
re+krishna+center&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
06) Costa Rican revolution against the bogus gurus:
http://golokavrindavan.com/
07) Prabhupada's ritvik order:
http://guru.krishna.org/Articles/2001/01/00233.html
08) Ritviks have "the biggest kitchen in India"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/outlook/news/story/2007/07/0707
18_das_india.shtml
09) Krishna's apprearance video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er9SnctUfjs
10) Ramayana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX63pPI-ag&mode=related&search=
11) Krishna and gopis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbK5PDtRpe8&mode=related&search=
12) Montreal Prabhupadanuga center: www.radhadamodara.net
13) George Harrison Sings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7eFQMakhDE
14) Indradyumna swami and consorts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRV5b3uNxBk&eurl
15) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prabhupada_Jagat_Guru
16) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InspirationNewsletter
17) PADA archives: http://harekrsna.org
18) http://gitagita.com/en/prabhupada/018.html
19) http://www.prabhupadanugaspress.com
20) Jaya Radha Madhava: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWVBLxaB14
21) Jaya Radha Madhava by child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJsqsbf7IOA
22) Sita Rama bhole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKFPuxpXdWM
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1) SRILA PRABHUPADA's LETTERS -- Letter to Tusta Krsna Swami, December 2,
1975: "Keep trained very rigidly, and then you are bona fide guru, and you
can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it
is the custom that during the lifetime of your spiritual master you bring
the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you
can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic
succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide spiritual master
and spread Krishna consciousness very widely; that will make me and Krishna
very happy."
[PADA: The bogus GBC gurus, and their vociferous spokesmen like Jayadvaita,
Hari Sauri, Rocana and others are very fond of citing this particular
letter. "You become guru -- when the training is complete." Fine, but then
they said, "we have appointed 11 of us, and only they have 'completed the
training' and they are going to be gurus, everyone else should be minimized
or kicked out of ISKCON." And as their "appointed guru project" began to
fail, then they said, "OK, we will vote in 200 more gurus." This is what
happened in the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha as well: they first of all
concocted an "appointed" guru in 1936, he failed, then they nominated a
second wave of dozens of more gurus, and they too began to fail. Yet
nowhere in the above letter do we find "therefore we have to appoint 11 and
then vote in over 200 more gurus." Sorry, that portion of the letter you
folks concocted and it is NOT part of the letter!
A few other problems: (a) MESSENGER MURDERED. As soon as Sulochana brought
forward the above letter in 1984, he was immediately assassinated by the
bogus GBC's guru team because he said -- so far -- NO ONE has been proven
to have been "appointed as guru" or "trained rigidly to become a guru."
Sulochana has been proven correct, these gurus have been falling down left,
right and center. The deviants are citing this letter, but only AFTER they
orchestrated the murder of the person who brought forth the letter? Perhaps
this is why Jesus says, "oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers"! Then again,
this seems to be the same mentality as the "poison of guru" crew, we kill
the messenger, then distort and sort of hi-jack his message.
Yet, one cannot simply artificially claim to have "completed the training"
and now "I am the pure devotee guru" (as we have seen, accompanied with so
many spectacular fall downs). So -- the people who orchestrated the murder
of the very person who delivered this letter are now our "gurus"? Neither
has the issue of "who has completed the training" ever been discussed
threadbare. As Bir Krishna Swami says, "We assumed the eleven were gurus."
Yet the above letter does not order anyone to "assume" that eleven or
anyone else is going to be a guru. It was also well known (from 1967-77)
that the bogus GBC were failing all the time with illicit sex and drugs,
how does that qualify them to have "completed the training to be Krishna's
successor gurus"?
(b) LETTER NEVER IMPLEMENTED. Shortly after this letter was written the
bogus GBC censured Tusta Krishna and his mentor Siddhaswarupa and banned
them from ISKCON. If Tusta Krishna and Siddhaswarupa were named in the
particular letter above to be the "automatic successor gurus of ISKCON --
just after I depart," then why were they censured and kicked out of ISKCON?
Why did Srila Prabhupada chastise Tamal for "driving Tusta Krishna and
Siddhaswarupa out of ISKCON" (in 1976) if it was well known that they had
just been duly named as the future gurus of ISKCON from this letter?
Clearly, Siddhaswarupa and Tusta Krishna were, at least since the early
1970s, shunned and harassed by the bogus GBC.
And then Tamal sent a thug to threaten to kill Siddhaswarupa in 1976. So
the letter allegedly names Tusta Krishna and Siddhaswarupa as future gurus,
yet they were kicked out and given death threats by the Tamal and
Jayadvaita team? Well sure, you beat up and kill your guru, ok then. Or
maybe the letter does not say that any specific person is supposed to be a
guru -- at all? If Siddhaswarupa was being established in this letter by
Srila Prabhupada as the next acharya, why did the other GBC's orchestrate
to ban, beat and even threaten to kill him? When exactly was Siddhaswarupa
and Tusta Krishna ever forwarded as "gurus" by the bogus GBC, and in sum
WHEN was this letter ever applied and followed in regards to establishing
Tusta Krishna and his mentor Siddhaswarupa as ISKCON's next acharyas?
In other words as we all knew at the time, this letter was not a "general
order" for the whole of ISKCON, this letter was ACTUALLY meant to be
applied mainly (probably only) to Siddhaswarupa who at that time already
some sort of guru status in Hawaii with his own disciples before he even
came to ISKCON. He was already some sort of a guru in Hawaii. As such Srila
Prabhupada gave him a special dispensation to keep his followers, but this
was not an order for the rest of ISKCON? In other words this letter was
always understood to apply to a "special case situation" and was not
supposed to be applied universally to all the ISKCON leaders. At the same
time, Srila Prabhupada never said that Siddhaswarupa or anyone else was a
fully qualified guru.
(c) TRAINING NOT COMPLETE. Why was this letter never mentioned at all by
anyone until Sulochana forwarded this letter? The "law of disciplic
succession" is clearly: that when another pure devotee appears (i.e. he is
a pure devotee already or the training is complete) ONLY then is he to be
recognized as a guru, yet no indication is given in this letter that
anyone, or Siddhaswarupa, or some eleven, or the Gaudiya Matha's leaders,
have "finished the training" -- and are thus being named or specified as
successors? In sum, does this letter specifically name or appoint anyone as
guru? (no!) This is the same mis-citation that has occured from the May
28th tape, OK "you can become gurus," but "only when the training is
complete" (i.e. you are not gurus yet). Where does Srila Prabhupada say
that "the training" has been completed? He does not!
(d) BREAKING ETIQUETTE. It gets worse. In this letter Srila Prabhupada
actually has to remind his motivated followers that the "law" is: that you
cannot accept disciples during the presence of your guru. That means: some
of the bogus GBC's were already DEVIATING by thinking they were already
qualified to be gurus, and they wanted to accept their own disciples
ALREADY -- while their own guru was still living. Even if someone can
"become" a guru in theory, he is not qualified if he is "envious of guru."
If someone is enviously violating the guru etiquette ALREADY -- while their
guru is STILL present, why would the same someone suddenly be recognized as
pure guru -- just because their guru departed?
Some say (the Gaudiya Matha and bogus GBC) that their pet fellow pals
become gurus automatically, after their guru departed. Yet this "automatic
guru" system was not recognized by Srila Prabhupada. One needs to be
qualified first -- it is not automatic. "My guru departed, therefore I am
automatically a pure devotee." No? Where is this stated? The opposite is
stated, do not follow the Gaudiya Matha and make premature gurus, this will
ruin everything. This process is called by Srila Prabhupada "kill guru and
become guru," very sinful. NOTICE: The people who are ALREADY breaking the
etiquette before 1977 were then selected by Hari Sauri, Rocana and
Jayadvaita types as -- gurus!
(e) ENVY OF GURU. In other letters Srila Prabhupada says (for example to
Kirtanananda) that some of his followers were motivated and "they just want
to be guru themselves." This letter indicates the same thing was going on
elsewhere within the ISKCON leaders, that there were others who were ALSO
envious and who wanted to take Srila Prabhupada's guru post. They wanted to
"become guru" even while Srila Prabhupada was still alive. And so it seems
some of them poisoned their guru to take his post. This is "the law of
disciplic succession"? What does this letter have to do with the current
imbroglio? Why is this letter always cited as a means of "explaining away"
the bogus guru appointment, the child molester guru process, the poison
issue, and other issues, when it explains -- none of that?
Why has the bogus Gaudiya Matha/ BV and BP Puri/ Sridhara/ Gaura govinda/
Tripurari swamis/ Rocana/ Kundali/ Kailasha/ established that when one is
envious of guru, then one is a guru himself? For example Sridhara Maharaja
was told that some folks were envious of Ramesvara, and so he said: "the
envious should be voted in as gurus, so they would not remain envious."
Where does the shastra say that the envious are supposed to be given the
post of pure devotees? A pure devotee is a person who is NOT envious,
whereas Sridhara Maharaja and his team turn that qualification on its head.
(f) ACTUAL "ORDER" ELIMINATED. The letter ACTUALLY says that Srila
Prabhupada wanted ALL of his disciples to become pure and to become gurus,
not just a small cadre of "secret meetings" eleven annointed ones. There is
no indication that he was naming some, or eleven, or anyone else as gurus.
He was just re-stating the facts, when the training is complete, when you
are pure, when you are a resident of Krishna Loka, then you are a guru.
There is no appointment of anyone in this letter, except that it actually
"appoints" all of his disciples to try to, or to aspire to, become gurus.
As such, the bogus GBC has no authority to kick out the thousands of other
disciples who are potential gurus. Jayadvaita has now said that "everyone
of the disciples can be gurus," great, so why did you declare that only
eleven are the gurus and you kicked out the other 10,000 aspiring gurus?
thanks pd
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2) [* Narayana Maharaja, Lecture given on September 19th, 1994: "Those who
are not rasika Vaisnavas, they don't know tattva, they have not gone to
association with any Vaisnava ... they think that to preach whole world ...
the name of Krishna ... and to give Gita sandesha ... is the whole thing.]
[PADA: For Srila Prabhupada to "give the whole world the Holy Name of
Krishna and Bhagavad Gita" is "not the whole thing." "Worship Krishna,"
ooops, that is NOT "the whole thing"? Apparently, worship of Krishna means
-- we are missing out on something? And what exactly has Narayana Maharaja
"preached to the whole world"? First of all, nobody ever even heard of this
fellow until Srila Prabhupada came to the West. Narayana Maharaja simply
became Tamal's groupie and he has no capacity to preach anything "to the
whole world." Worse, Narayana Maharaja's "world headquarters" is Badger,
California, where the "whole thing" seems to be: pot smoking, pot growing,
pot dealing, beer drinking, wife swapping, a few lesbians, and who knows
what else. What is the "whole thing" he is giving to the whole world? Holey
smokees!
Which previous acharyas stated that: Krishna's holy name and Srimad
Bhagavad Gita, Lord Chaitanya's mission, and Srila Prabhupada's many Vedic
books are defective and incomplete, not whole? What is "the whole thing"?
Apparently according to Narayana Maharaja, it is to force children to
worship Narayana Maharaja's homosexual pedophile messiahs -- by his
supporting of Tamal's bogus guru lineage, and Sridhara Maharaja's
homosexual lineage, as Narayana Maharaja has done. And worse, Narayana
Maharaja was giving "rasika (conjugal love) teachings" to deviants like
Satsvarupa, Tamal, Sivarama swami and many others while they were leading
their homosexual pedophile worship process. NOTE: The bogus GBC gurus are
now meeting to figure out how to fix Narayana Maharaja's "rasika" broken
down messiah, the Satsvarupa imbroglio.
In sum, Narayana Maharaja thinks that worship of deviants is "the whole
thing, the highest thing" and his pedophile messiah worship project is "fit
for rasika talks." Whereas those of us who do not worship deviants, we do
not know "the whole thing." Perhaps we do not, but even a kindergarten
child knows better than Narayana Maharaja: deviants are not messiahs! Even
a kindergarten child could out-debate this Narayana Maharaja fellow! Are
Narayana Maharaja's violent buggery pals "gurus and messiahs," ummm
probably not! Narayana Maharaja was giving "rasika" classes to people like
Satsvarupa, who then wrote about his constipation, his enemas, and the
gopis, all in the same few pages of writing. Even BV Puri said, nobody
writes about their passing stools -- and then -- the gopis, except
followers of Narayana Maharaja! Is this because Narayana Maharaja is really
another Radha Kunda babaji sahajiya?]
* [NM: So I want to say that your Prabhupada has given these things ...
only these things ... and not beyond these things. Then he was only the
servant of Mahavisnu, not of Krishna. A strange thing ... for them who are
ignorant.]
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada must have been "only a devotee of Maha Vishnu" ...
and not a devotee of Krishna. And all of this, because he does not support
NM's bogus Gaudiya Matha's homosexual gurus? Meanwhile Narayana Maharaja
says that the soul originates in brahman, and Srila Prabhupada says this
idea is mayavadi. Yet the main item of dispute is: that Srila Prabhupada
does not agree with the Gaudiya Matha folks like Narayana Maharaja because
of their promotion of homosexual gurus. Yet notice anyone who disagrees
with Narayana Maharaja's "worship of deviants as gurus" is "a strange and
ignorant person." Meanwhile, most of the citizens of America have read in
their newspapers about Narayana Maharaja's post-1977 "rasika" ISKCON guru
lineage that has been banning, beating, molesting and assassinating people,
which the average citizen knows is "the strange and ignorant" program.]
* [NM: But those who are wise and have done initiation from any rasika
vaisnava, bhava bhakta of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, ... Those who have given
their heart to them and have realized anything ... very little ... they can
realize these things ... At first, if any temple is going on ... we'll have
to clear ... the ground. The thorns are there, the trees having thorns ...
useless ...to be cut, and to give some land. But to dig and to sweep is not
everything. To dig for basement of this big temple is not everything. So
Swamiji has at first cleared the atmosphere ... Prepared the ground ... by
preaching name and the sandesh of Gita ... he prepared.
So very important work. Without this, without this, he could not have given
these things. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu first preached the whole world Krishna
name, and he wanted all Vaisnavas to understand His inner mood ...
Otherwise everyone cannot understand ... so he has done this task and it
was so necessary for that world ... for all world ... he has done, but he
has not done everything ...by that doing. It was only basement ...
Foundation."]
[PADA: Yep, the acharyas are Narayana Maharaja's house cleaning servants,
they are doing the dirty garden work, so NM can go in there and plant his
homosexual pedophile messiah's project to putrify the whole world. What
puffed up-ness! thanks pd]
SARVO WRITES: When we chant the prema dvani prayers, many times we say,
"Jagad guru, saviour of the world, His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta
Prabhupada ki jaya." It's true. By 1973 Srila Prabhupada had gathered
together about a thousand young boys and girls and got them to regularly go
out and chant in public. Srila Prabhupada said, "Except for this handful of
my disciples chanting the holy name, this whole planet would have been
reduced to a charred cinder some time ago." Except for Srila Prabhpada's
amazing courage and determination we wouldn't even be here. For anyone to
in any way minimize the glory of Srila Prabhpada beggars the imagination.
This man needs our prayers and compassion, he is headed for the very lowest
of regions.
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3) The KAILASHA CHANDRA imbroglio. Kailash Chandra has said all along that
"we need to pray for another maha-bhagavata messiah to appear," and now he
wants to form a brahmincal council (with Rocana?) to try to "attract or
create" another maha-bhagavata devotee, to replace Srila Prabhupada.
Apparently Kailash is trying to recruit Rocana and others into his big plan
to create a sort of "College Of Cardinals" that will "create" i.e. vote for
the next messiah. Maybe. Except that maha-bhagavatas are created by
Krishna, not voted in by some concocted "maha-bhagavata factory" council.
And why are they always trying to replace Srila Prabhupada with someone
else? Should we not first of all follow the instructions of our acharya,
and not worry about "another messiah" coming right away? Another messiah
may or may not come, none was specified either way by Srila Prabhupada, so
this is called mental speculation.
Notice the focus, we need to concoct some council to "attract or create"
some "other" person to worship, and not Srila Prabhupada. This is the
trouble with the bogus Gaudiya Matha/ BV and BP Puri/ Sridhara/ Gaura
govinda/ Tripurari swamis/ Rocana/ Kundali/ Kailasha/ they are alway
looking for someone else to worship -- other than Srila Prabhupada. And
while they are creating so much mayhem by diverting everyone away from
following the orders, how will a "pure person" be attracted to appear in
this imbroglio? This makes no sense.
Jayadvaita swami actually told PADA editor the same thing as Kailasha, that
we'd better get our airline tickets together, we might have to look for our
next ISKCON guru in the mountains of Peru, or maybe he is sleeping behind a
trash dumpster in Los Angeles, or maybe he is hiding in an igloo in Alaska,
who knows where he is, it is our job to start looking. Ummm, quit worship
of the pure devotee and start looking ALL OVER the planet for someone else,
that seems to be the big plan here. How can any institution be managed when
all the members are flying all over the planet to find another messiah?
Gaura Govinda Maharaja said to us basically the same thing, we have to quit
worship of the pure devotee and start to travel all over the planet and
"pray to Krishna to find another guru." OK, so quit ISKCON, leave the
institution, stop worship of the pure devotee, and go somewhere else. And
speculate that you maybe found another pure devotee, who knows? And ISKCON
will be emptied out, dismantled, destroyed, so what? Then again, even the
trash collector makes a better pure devotee than some of the folks these
fellows have been associated with.
We first met Kailasha Chandra in Santa Cruz around 1982. He was at the time
married to Jadurani dasi. And we could not help but notice that Kailasha
was extremely imperious, cruel and downright mean towards her. It seemed to
us that he was another version of the bogus GBC's "artificial renunciation
swamis" who also act in a very cruel manner towards women (while they are
secretly often: quite lusty towards women). Needless to say, she eventually
could not take his constant ill treatment, so she left Mr. Kailash and
ended up in the Gaudiya Matha's camp (thanks mainly to Kailash). We know of
other folks who have quit our Prabhupadanuga camp due to being mistreated
by Mr. Kailash. Now he wants credit for his "bringing people to
Prabhupada," meanwhile his whole history is that of driving MANY away
people from our idea of "worship of Prabhupada."
Then Kailasha made some whack-job astrological predictions that "California
is going to fall into the ocean very soon," and he got some of the hapless
(more gullible) California devotees to move in with him onto a remote farm
in rural Arkansas. Shortly after that, Bahusira, Brajendranandana and
others quit the farm project because they too could not tolerate "the
little emperor" -- Mr. Kailasha. Those devotees moved back to California.
Then, Kailasha moved back to California himself to find fresh recruits for
his "WW III is coming next week" project! Needless to say a big argument
then erupted over "who ripped off the money from the farm project's
devotees," and Kailasha was criticized severely -- for being a crook, since
he was the organizer of that scheme. This really helps convince people our
idea is right?
Then Kailasha moved to Berkeley where we were already established and
preaching locally. And he "converted" a devotee AWAY from our
"Prabhupadanuga" idea, to worship Srila Prabhupada. Kailasha convinced this
devotee (Eric Johanson) to accept the bogus GBC and Gaudiya Matha's idea
that one needs "a living guru," namely the "guru" Mr. Kailasha. Of course
Kailasha never explains: how he became the next successor guru? Meanwhile
Kailasha says that anyone who does not surrender to the Gaudiya Matha's
"living guru" process, and they are accepting our process of following
Srila Prabhupada's instruction to continue the mission via a Governing Body
is -- "a bogus ritvik." Is there an echo over here? Tamal says that we
cannot worship Srila Prabhupada, Kailasha says we cannot worship Srila
Prabhupada, Rocana says only us bogus "church idiots" worship Srila
Prabhuada, Narayana Maharaja says we are "ritvik poison" if we worship
Srila Prabhupada, and YET Srila Prabhupada Himself explains all this as:
these Gaudiya Matha people are "envious of guru."
Then Kailasha "formally initiated" his first disciple Eric Johanson, as
"Ritkaharsana dasa." Problem is, we already had preached to this devotee
and had converted him to worship Srila Prabhupada. And now Kailasha was
"un-converting" him to worship Kailash. Then Kailasha got Riktaharsana to
help him take (some say: steal) half of the money from the sale of
Hansadutta's Mt. Kailasha farm. In the bargain, Kailasha had to take half
of the cows, but no one knows where those cows are at present? Kailash was
then branded as "the cow kidnapper" by some disgruntled folks. Then
Kailasha was living in a San Antonio Texas apartment, allegedly selling
vacuum cleaners door to door. Yep, no cows there.
Some of the people within the second wave of "farm sale" deals - gone -
sour began to complain, Kailasha had ripped off the cow's money for
himself. Hmmm, another "farm project" gone bust with complaints of Kailasha
ripping off funds. (The other half of the money and cows went to Advaita
dasa, Ken Snell, and we have to say he did a great job of caring for his
half of the herd). Then we heard that some of the bogus gurus had employed
Kailasha as a temple pot washer with the promise that "they would find him
a good wife." Hmmm, like every woman wants to be married to -- an angry
tyrant. Then we heard that the bogus gurus were only playing a trick. They
had no intention of "giving him a wife," they had just wanted him to write
a "position paper" for them -- defeating Srila Prabhupada's orders for
future initiations. In other words, they used Kailasha because he was
motived. As Sulochan used to say, "they get people like Kailasha by the
knackers."
And then Kailash continued with his theory that -- the world was coming to
an end soon -- and so he has been floating around remote places like Texas,
Oregon, and more recently, Moab Utah. OK, he's way out in the wilderness so
that "when the bombs drop" he will be safe, not unlike Kailasha's pal Sanat
(Steve Voith) who is always looking out his window for the foreign
airplanes with their bombs to be flying over Angelica New York. So Kailasha
is not only a tyrant, but a paranoid deluded "WW III is coming shortly"
socio-path, ok, not unlike Harikesha used to be, not unlike Sanat still is.
And in the meantime, while all of the banning, beating and molesting has
been going on, Kailasha has been hiding from WW III, simultaneously writing
"siddhanta" papers in support of the bogus GBC gurus and their Gaudiya
Matha view that "you need a living guru." And in sum he is not at all
unlike Rocana with "the next acharya is the best thing that we could have"
(since these fellows are not promoting the actual acharya Srila
Prabhupada).
There is in reality almost no difference between Kailasha's "position
papers" and the bogus GBC gurus, hence he was deputed by Tamal to write a
paper for the bogus gurus in 1990. And at the same exact time, Narayana
Maharaja came forward to publicly defend the peodphile pooja project.
Oddly, Narayana Maharaja said at that time he "knew all about Bhavananda"
(homosexuality and child molesting project?) while he was defending their
guru lineage. Needless to say, these fellows merely helped along the
ongoing "worship of homosexual pedophiles as acharyas" project that
Kailasha and Narayana Maharaja had suddenly become the maid servants of.
Now quite recently, and all of a sudden, Kailash says we need "a council of
devotees." Hmmm, what we told him from the get go? Except Kailasha has not
explained how he, the diksha guru of the jagat, will interface with -- a
council? Same problem Kailasha's bogus GBC's gurus have, they are gurus,
simultaneously they are in a council, the guru is subordinate to -- the
council? No, the guru is subordinate to Krishna direct. So this is the
problem with Kailash: he talks like the bogus GBC gurus; mistreats women
like many of the bogus GBC gurus; speaks the same bogus siddhanta as the
bogus gurus and the Gaudiya Matha; preaches "the end of the world" like the
bogus gurus and their prime sisyas like Sanat and Mukunda; and now all of a
sudden a light bulb has gone off, "where is the council (which is what PADA
has been saying all along)"?
Right, that is the ritvik system, there is a council that manages ISKCON.
So now he is seemingly coming in our direction. Then again so is Rocana,
sort of, he says we need to worship the sampradaya acharya, except if
anyone does that -- he is the "bogus church fool" because he forgets to
worship Rocana, or Kailasha, or Kundali, or Narayana Maharaja or some other
"living body." Sorry, we are not supposed to worship "a bag of bile, mucous
and stools." One of these days, they might realize this! Now you'd think
that after the Rocana/ Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda/ BV Puri/
Tripurari swamis/ Sanat and Mukunda/ Kailasha "living guru" program has
created so much havoc, molesting, murders and so on, they would by now have
"humbled out." Nope! Sort of like Dr. Frankenstein, we need to make a few
adjustments, "it is win-able."Nope! thanks pd
NOTICE: On Kailasha's web site the first thing he says is that worship of
Srila Prabhupada is bogus, it is "the ritvik concotion." Rather we are
supposed to worship mysogynistic vaccum cleaners salespeople as our
messiahs! http://therealexplanation.org/
ERIC JOHANSON, 59 MAIN ST. MOAB, UT 84532 (435) 259-1514
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4) THANKS TO ROCANA! ROCANA: "Hari-sauri would like you to believe that
everything's so clear and so transparent but if that were the case, then
why was there controversy in the first place? And why does the controversy
rage on? Praghosa dasa would like you to think he's made it abundantly
simple and clear. The Rtvik advocates such as Yasodanandana dasa and
Krishna-kant Desai would like you to believe that it's crystal clear, but
the reality is that it's NOT crystal clear."
[PADA: Thanks Rocana, but you are the one who is not clear. We have asked
you for 30 years, what was the order? First of all, you thought that Hari
Sauri's team had "the clear version" of things. Thus, first of all you
supported the bogus zonal gurus, thinking that was "the order" of Srila
Prabhupada. Then around 1985 you joined with Satsvarupa and said you were
going to reform your zonal and pedophile messiah gurus, by voting in 200
more zonal gurus? You were thinking the order of guru is to fix your broken
messiahs, and vote in more zonal gurus, and you failed to fix your original
deviation. You thought that reforming your bogus and homosexual messiahs
was the clear order. That means you have no idea what the order ever was?
Once again, pretty please with frosting on top, what was the order? You
never tell us for 30 years?
Oddly, Rocana and Satsvarupa types have said that the July 9th letter and
other letters "are not clear." And while Srila Prabhupada is allegedly "not
clear," what is clear? The bogus GBC and Rocana say only they are clear,
while their guru is unable to speak clearly: as such they have the
exclusive authority to underwrite false gurus. Imagine this, Satsvarupa and
his topmost sisyas Rocana and Kailasha Chandra never heard Srila Prabhupada
say, about five thousand times per week since 1970, "After I am gone, there
will ONLY be a Governing Body, not false gurus, and some of the Governing
Body are ALREADY conducting initiations by chanting on the beads, so
whatever you do - after I am gone -- DO NOT -- under any circumstances
change this process -- and make false gurus." That is the order, as such
the July 9th letter simply re-states this order. Rocana never heard his
guru talking apparently?
Now all of a sudden, the process he re-stated 5,000,000 times -- is "not
clear"? Rocana is attacking his own guru, "My guru is not clear, but thanks
to me, I will straighten out my guru's mumbling, and so we have Rocana's
concocted zonal gurus, homosexual gurus, reformed gurus and other Rocana's
mumbo-jumbo. Again, we repeat for clarity, PADA has said all along that the
July 9th letter is not the main or crucial consequence, the actual order
was given all along starting in 1970 -- thousands of times: "After I depart
there will be a Governing Body, and not bogus Gaudiya Matha gurus." And
that was the order he gave thousands of times. Rocana is mesmerized and
fixated on one July 9th letter, and so he forgot the thousands of other
times Srila Prabhupada said, after I am gone there will be agents,
managers, not gurus, and since some of these agents are chanting on the
beads for initiations, -- do not change anything, keep the initiations
going on by proxy or DEPUTIES and let the mission continue, that was the
order he gave thousands of times. Of course even the order for ritviks was
"henceforward" and Rocana forgot to show us why this was supposed to stop?
We are sorry Rocana is stuck on one day in July of 1977 for the rest of his
life.
Rocana is the one who muddied up his clear orders with his zonal gurus,
reformed gurus, and all the other crack pot ideas. The order was given all
along every day especially since 1970, make a managing body, they are
already initiating on my behalf (the ritvik idea), so continue everything
AS IT IS -- without change. The July letter simply confirmed what he said
all along. Rocana, you are the one who changed his orders! Then you said
his books cannot give divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha) -- you
pulled the plug out of the Vedas and said Srila Prabhupada and Krishna have
no poteny anymore! You are the one who changed the whole order!
Yet many PADA readers are glad that Rocana has finally decided to come out
of his cubby-hole and debate with PADA by writing his current debate
"position papers" -- where he goes back to citing the bogus GBC's gurus
that there are "regular (neophyte) sadhaka" gurus. Basically, Rocana is
repeating Hari Sauri's recent "eleven appointed gurus" document wherein
Hari Sauri claims that Srila Prabhupada appointed eleven of "Krishna's guru
successors." Yet the claim that Vaishnava gurus are eclessiastically
"appointed" has been so badly discredited over the years -- it is truly
amazing that some folks, ok Rocana, Hari Sauri, Gaudiya Matha deviants and
others are still pounding the drum for this idea. Srila Prabhupada says:
gurus are not appointed, so why would he deviate and -- appoint gurus?
The first immediate problem the "appointed gurus" folks had was: (a) Their
alleged "pure devotee gurus" turned out to be -- ok -- not so pure. The
next problem they had was trying to explain, (b) Why would Srila Prabhupada
appoint impure persons as gurus? Then again, (c) Why does Srila Prabhupada
say on the May 28th tape that -- in the future, when he is no longer here,
officiating / ritviks will be initiating on his behalf? And on the same
tape he say that when these ritviks deviate, they will have to be replaced
(thus they are not gurus). And of course, (d) If someone (or eleven
someones) had been appointed as guru(s) on May 28th, why wasn't the entire
society notified right away of this astonishing announcement?
Why was "the (alleged) guru appointment" only announced AFTER Srila
Prabhupada had departed in November of 1977? Then again (e) Why were people
like us threatened with death when we asked to see "the evidence" of the
alleged "guru appointment" in December of 1977? (f) How come none of us
heard the so-called appointment tape until Sulochana prabhu bribed people
to get a copy in 1984? (g) Why does audio forensic expert Norman Perle say
the "May tape" seems to have some sort of spliced-up, cut and paste
problems -- consistent with tampering? (g) Why wasn't "the will" being
distributed until we busted it out of a guru's safe? (h) Why was Tamal
Krishna swami saying in July of 1977 that Sridhara Maharaja is the worst of
deviants, and a few months later (in December of 1977) Tamal was saying he
is "ISKCON's new shiksha advisor." (i) Why did Tamal stick his angry face
right into our face and say, "I know you Puranjana, you are just waiting
for Srila Prabhupada to die so you can sit in his seat"! And so on!
Perhaps these fellows failed to convince us that their gurus were "the
eleven anartha free/ annointed holy divinities/ from Krishna Loka," and
"Krishna's pure devotee guru successors" since many of their "gurus" were
caught doing odd things -- like for example, putting their hands down the
pants of men, women and children "disciples." To fix this problem, then
they concocted "a reform" and presto bingo boingo, Rocana's started a whole
new category of guru: the "reformed" neophyte (sadhaka) guru. How did you
guess, every single one of Rocana's reformed "sadhaka gurus" has "a zone."
Rocana says that the worst thing that ever happened in ISKCON was: his
gurus said they had geographical "zones." (Apparently, Rocana's messiahs
having their hands down people's pants does not seem to rate as much of a
problem) and yet ALL of Rocana's "sadhaka" gurus STILL have zones, and yes,
some of them are still being caught from time to time, with their hands
down -- oh never mind!
Therefore, Rocana is saying: he is the worst thing that has ever happened
to ISKCON since his gurus still have zones! Good progress. Never mind these
fellows never explained why the guru needs a "reform," after being exposed
putting his hands down the pants of followers ....? Never mind that Srila
Prabhupada says, about fifty ka-zillion times, that Rocana is wrong since:
the neophyte is NOT a guru. Then again, the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura
Govinda/ Tripurari swamis/ Rocana types seem to pay little attention to
what Srila Prabhupada says? Narayana Maharaja still says "there is nothing
wrong" with his gurus having their hands down the pants of followers, and
orchestrating murders of dissenters. Tony Soprano also says, "Nuttin wrong
with whacking yer opponents." By the way some Narayana folks sent what
appears to be a threat of violence to one of our associates. "We's ah gonna
whack yahs." Very saintly there!
What do you expect when Rocana's current "living guru" is once again
"walking across Canada" and according to some, he was once "feeding the
squirrels in the homosexual's park at night." What is the point of Rocana's
guru's big plan to "walk accross Canada"? Is Canada a sacred place? Yes,
when all of the contrived banning, beating, molesting and murders were
going on, Rocana's guru was too busy to notice because he was "walking
accross Canada." The neophyte is not a guru, rather he is supposed to
MANAGE the ISKCON society, not start some hokey show bottle "walking"
across the countryside program to prove that he is the next messiah. Here
in California we also have many "cancer patient's bike rides accross
America," which impresses small minded people like Rocana as some sort of
sacred Tirtha pilgimage project. Walking across Canada makes one "a member
of the Vaishnava guru parampara," so there is "minimal qualification and
maximum pooja." Maybe the best qualification for their pure devotees should
be: whoever collects the most beer cans for recycling, at least then we'd
have some useful action going on to be on Rcoana's team of next messiahs,
instead of wasting time hiking when his guru can just jump on a bus and get
there five days earlier!
Apparently, according to SDG and people like Rocana, there are "regular
sadhaka sadhaka" who are simultaneously "assistants of the gopis." Yet
their gurus are prone to watch "regular" old re-runs of old Humphrey Bogart
movies (like their "sadhaka guru" Suhotra was doing). And then again there
are the "actual" servants of the gopis, they are fully pure, but no one is
allowed to distinguish between the two groups clearly, lest they be branded
as deviants known as "Church of the pure gopis" -- by Rocana and his pal
Ravindra Swarupa. No one is allowed to say, wait, you are telescoping these
two levels: neophyte and pure -- together. Sorry, the neophyte is --
ASPIRING -- to be an assistant of the gopis, he is not there yet!
Whereas the acharyas, they are there, they are pure servants of the gopis
(rati keli siddhas)! These thinkers are famous for saying that the
neophyte, the kindergarten child who is aspiring to be a brain surgeon, he
must be given a scalpel and to start the brain surgery operation .... ouch!
NOTICE! Rocana's term "sadhaka gurus" is one he borrows from Satsvarupa
Dasa Goswami's (SDG's) concoctions! My dear Rocana prabhu, the neophyte
devotees, the sadhakas, they are not gurus -- despite your great
authorities like SDG saying that "the neophytes are gurus" all of the time!
OK, we'd all be happy if us lowly sadhakas could somehow or other act like
bona fide pure devotees -- diksha gurus, residents of Krishna loka etc. --
and save the planet. Great wishful thinking there. Yet as we have all seen
by now, your "sadhaka gurus" have a slight tendency to fall down into
"illicit sex with men, women and children." Not very guru-like behavior
there! Worse, saying that sadhakas are gurus CAUSES then to tail-spin into
a fall down.
Of course, Rocana's good friend Mahatma dasa (the one who was in Texas and
Tamal's old pal) has written on "Dandavats.com" his theory explaining why
Rocana's gurus are prone to "fall-downs." PADA is very sorry to report this
-- but to say that "the assistants of the gopis" are "falling down" --
left, right and center, is considered as severe offense / aparadha. Srila
Prabhupada says that to think that the mahabhagavatas, pure devotees,
diksha gurus, are subject to being "overcome by the material nature" is a
SEVERE offense! OK, Rocana still has not explained when, where, or how his
eleven gurus (or anyone else) was ever given the status of "sadhaka gurus"
by Srila Prabhupada? Nor does Rocana tell us where Srila Prabhupada
discusses SDG's whole system of sadhaka gurus, ummmm, because there is no
such thing?
Many PADA readers write to say that in the current debate of PADA v.
Rocana, the score so far is: PADA has made about five hundred points,
Rocana has made about one percent of a counterpoint. Apparently, Rocana
told one of his associates, "I hope PADA don't toss me in the briar patch
... again." Tee hee hee! Thanks pd
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5) MIRACLE MAN! Facts about Srila Narayana Maharaja:
FACT: Om Vishnupada 108 Srila Narayana Maharaja is a pure devotee. Srila
Prabhupada wrote him three hundred letters from America.
[PADA: Is this why Srila Prabhupada complained, "None of my God Brothers is
helping me substantially." And as we see practically, Narayana Maharaja was
not helping Srila Prabhupa AT ALL when we all went to India. Rather,
Narayana Maharaja was spending most of his time associating with all the
bogus gurus of the (Mayapura) Gaudiya Matha (who were complaining about and
castigating Srila Prabhupada).]
FACT: Srila Narayana Maharaja received direct darsana of Lord Rama.
[PADA: Very doubtful. Narayana Maharaja is the world's leading living
exponent of homosexual acharyas (messiahs). For example, NM wrote a "Guru
Tattva" booklet (yes, we have a copy) which says "there is nothing wrong"
with his worship of homosexuals acharyas project. Whereas people who "see
Rama" must be fully pure. Narayana Maharaja's buggery pooja project is not
pure, actually it is putrid. OK not pure at all. Worse, Narayana Maharaja
says that the worshipers of ACTUAL pure devotees are "ritvik poison" --
because they do not worship his buggery pooja messiahs. Where does Lord
Rama say, "We have to follow Narayana Maharaja and worship his buggery
messiahs"? This is totally bogus! Narayana Maharaja says that Lord Rama's
successors are deviants, so NM is attacking Lord Rama.]
FACT: He was also chanting and doing kirtana under Anasthesia.
[PADA: And lets not forget the poor children, those who were getting
molested by NM's child buggery pooja project, they were getting assaulted
-- without -- anasthesia. Then again when Narayana Maharaja says that
worship of Srila Prabhupada is "poison," he gets people beaten and killed
by "giving a dog a bad name -- and hanging it." No anasthesia for NM's
victims, they just get beat, molested and shot.]
FACT: Once he did not go to work. Krishna took his form and went to work
instead.
[PADA: Narayana Maharaja is "hard at work" establishing that deviants are
gurus, and Krishna is sometimes "taking over" to do that job?]
FACT: One lady was drowning. He extending his arm 1.5 kms and saved her.
[PADA: Narayana Maharaja has -- the power to extend himself (prapti
siddhi?). Fine. Why didn't NM extend his reach to grasp all of Srila
Prabhupada's lost and hidden letters, documents, tapes -- that were being
hidden? If NM has the mystical power to "extend himself over a distance,"
why didn't he "extend himself" to help Srila Prabhupada during the
poisoning episode? If Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned right on Narayana
Maharaja's doorstep, how come he never "extended" a hand to help? Why is NM
saving others, but not Srila Prabhupada?]
FACT: Once even cows in Badger began following him due to love and affection.
[PADA: The cows in Badger followed us around too. The cows think, ok maybe
we'll pick some grass from over the fence and hand it over to them, great,
that makes us the next messiah?]
FACT: Fish began to jump out of tank on seeing him.
[PADA: No surprise here, when fish see the head honcho, main enabler, of
pedophile pooja, they wanted to escape!]
FACT: He gave samadhi to Prabhupada as per his request.
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said, "My only request is, do not torture me and
put me to death." He complained that he was being poisoned, and yet
Narayana Maharaja worked with the poisoners and declared that they are
gurus. Narayana Maharaja was helping the poisoners bury Srila Prabhupada,
and then Narayana Maharaja buried thousands of children by forcing them to
worship child molesters.]
FACT: He helped Prabhupada since 1947.
[PADA: No, he helped the Gaudiya Matha critics of Srila Prabhupada. We
never saw hde nor hair of Narayana Maharaja when we went to India with
Srila Prabhupada, but we heard reports he was lurking around with Srila
Prabhupada's critics.]
He once saved Prabhupada's life by getting him operated on time.
He sent Prabhupada Mrdanga, Karatala and so on from India.
He and Prabhupada stayed together for many years.
[FACT:Prabhupada used to write to him in the letter "Please accept my
humble obeisances."]
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada offered his obeisances to everybody.]
[FACT: He saved ISKCON from Prabhupada's son by giving evidence in court in
Mumbai.]
[PADA: Well maybe, but then Narayana Maharaja handed ISKCON back to the
child molester guru's project.]
[FACT:He was respected and loved by Prabhupada.]
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada loved and respected everyone.]
[FACT: He inspired Prabhupada to take sannyasa and did fire sacrifice for
his and Kirtanananda Maharaja's sannyasa.]
[PADA: Fine, except isn't Kirtanananda a child molester that NM said was a
messiah guru?]
[FACT: He has written more than 100 books. He is the biggest scholar.]
[PADA: He has re-written books already published by Srila Prabhupada, he
thinks he has a better commentary.]
He chants 64 rounds for last 55 years.
He has done more than 55 Vraja mandala parikrama.
He has the highest realizations.
Just by looking at your face, he can understand your 60000 past lifetimes.
[PADA: Correct, Narayana Maharaja looked into the faces of the bogus gurus
and he could see clearly they are poisoners of guru, child molesters and
murderers of devotees, and that is why he supported their worship as
messiahs. NM is the founder father of guru poisoners and molesters as
messiahs. You are right! thanks pd]
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4) IRM update: Thanks Sanjay, Yes, most of the IRM's members now accept
PADA's view of the poison case, hence we defeated Adridharana when he tried
to stop us from investigating that issue. Nothing new here, Adridharana was
one of the main persons who originally covered up the poison case in 1977.
He said to PADA editor personally that knew FIRST HAND that Srila
Prabhupada had said he was being poisoned, because he was IN the ROOM at
the time at the time the poison complaint was spoken by His Divine Grace.
Adridharana dasa says he personally heard the poison complaint. Yet he
covered it up, just like he covered up the whole criminal and molester
empire going on in his back yard for 20 years in Mayapura.
When we brought our the issue, he harassed us when we brought it out
because he said we have to "make friends" with the poison plotters.
Actually this was also the desire of co-IRM leaders Krishna Kanta Desai and
Yaduraja, they also told us that we have to "be nice" to the poison
plotters and quit the poison investigation, and needless to say that idea
is going nowhere fast. In short, Adridharana knew FULLY WELL that Srila
Prabhupada had complained of being poisoned, yet he covered that up to
defend the poison plotters. And then Krishna Kanta and Yaduraja joined him
in demanding we cover that issue up as well.
Many devotees have said that Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint is "the
most important statement he ever made," and how did you guess his "dear
friends" Adri, Krishna Kanta, Yaduraja, they are protecting the criminals,
problem being, meanwhile ninety nine percent of all the rest of the
devotees, including most of the IRM rank and file, they all agreed with
PADA on the poison issue.
So yes, these IRM leaders, RIP. They are losing this argument, big time.
They said we have to stop the poison case so we can have a "Guru Reform"
and fix the evil doers, they have no idea that gurus do not need reform,
and that the people involved in the poison plot do not need reform, they
need to be exposed. thanks pd
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History is Always Written by the Victors
BY: PRAGHOSA DASA
So - now along comes Hari Sauri and HIS version is added to the heap.
Question: Why is it needed today - 30 years after the fact - unless this
version is so obviously skewed and incomplete in its presentation? The
following quote from the Hari Bhakti Vilasa, taken from the purport to
Madhya Lila 15:108 of the Caitanya-caritamrta, explains WHY.
Hari-bhakti-vilasa (2.10) further quotes:
ato gurum pranamyaivam
sarva-svam vinivedya ca
grhniyad vaisnavam mantram
diksa-purvam vidhanatah
"It is the duty of every human being to surrender to a bona fide spiritual
master. Giving him everything-body, mind and intelligence-one must take a
Vaisnava initiation from him."
the UNITY OF COMMAND - so vital to the projection of the Mission across the
globe - could not allow every human being to PRETEND THAT "giving
EVERYTHING" - to HIM meant giving everything to these appointed 11 men.
These men - appointed as "officiating acharyas" had no more claim to the
"everything" surrendered - than the Easter Bunny.
THIS WAS - IS - AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE ESSENTIAL DILEMMA connected with the
disobedience and misrepresentation of the orders of Srila Prabhupada. Read
his paper and view this re-write for yourself.
It YIELDS - FULLY - to the "interpretation" of Srila Prabhupada's orders -
injected into the minds of the leadership in 1978 by HH Sridhara Swami. It
is a verbatim expression of the conclusions of Sridhara Swami and thus
elevates HIM to the Position of Sampradaya Acharya - that our Godbrother
Rocana das has continuously associated with Srila Prabhupada.
For all intents and purposes, Sridhara Swami was given the opportunity to
destroy not only the mission of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati, but Srila
Prabhupada as well.
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