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1) Was Srila Prabhupada tri-kala-jna?
2) RESULT of CHILD ABUSE: Los Angeles police car chase.
3) ROCANA replies: ...
4) Narayana Maharaja: Remove the Greatest Blasphemy from your Sanga BY:
GEORGE A. SMITH
5) Some Thoughts about Narayana Maharaja BY: MAHALAKSMI DASI
PADA's new music "Indian Ocean": http://myspace.com/trancelooper
* "Someone says that I've been poisoned."
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QrYNDdcBKDg
* Poison whispers: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OzyT98NLIUk !
01) Archives of Srila Prabhupada on MP3:
http://www.archive.org/details/Bhaktivedanta-Swami-Prabhupada
02) Prabhupadanugas discussions groups: http://groups.myspace.com/prabhupada
03) About Tripurari swami's son (Bhakti Beaudry)
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/black/tripura3.htm
04) Photos of the bogus gurus: http://www.harekrsna.org/guru-photos.htm
05) Preaching in Queens NY:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4494513264869599631&q=prabhupada+ha
re+krishna+center&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
06) Costa Rican revolution against the bogus gurus:
http://golokavrindavan.com/
07) Prabhupada's ritvik order:
http://guru.krishna.org/Articles/2001/01/00233.html
08) Ritviks have "the biggest kitchen in India"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/outlook/news/story/2007/07/0707
18_das_india.shtml
09) Krishna's apprearance video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er9SnctUfjs
10) Ramayana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTX63pPI-ag&mode=related&search=
11) Krishna and gopis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbK5PDtRpe8&mode=related&search=
12) Montreal Prabhupadanuga center: www.radhadamodara.net
13) George Harrison Sings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7eFQMakhDE
14) Indradyumna swami and consorts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRV5b3uNxBk&eurl
15) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prabhupada_Jagat_Guru
16) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InspirationNewsletter
17) PADA archives: http://harekrsna.org
18) http://gitagita.com/en/prabhupada/018.html
19) http://www.prabhupadanugaspress.com
20) Jaya Radha Madhava: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWVBLxaB14
21) Jaya Radha Madhava by child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJsqsbf7IOA
22) Sita Rama bhole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKFPuxpXdWM
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1) Was Srila Prabhupada tri-kala-jna?
As a matter of fact, yes he was. For starters, he said that as soon as
ISKCON would make a bogus system of "appointed gurus" then ISKCON would go
to hell in a handbasket, as did the Gaudiya Matha. He then went into
elaborate details of the history of the Gaudiya Matha's bogus gurus -- so
that we could understand some of "the troubles" that might ensue. He also
said that if the children of ISKCON are mistreated, some of them might
reject the religion and indeed become inimical to the movement, as has
occured. He was right on! thanks pd
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2) RESULT of CHILD ABUSE: Los Angeles police car chase.
According to a report, a young woman from Los Angeles was sexually abused
(when she was a child) by her father. Apparently her father was a former
"Pujari" at the Los Angeles temple. This might be the same "pujari" who
gave PADA a very hard time at that temple and was always seen scowling at
-- and harassing -- the Prabhupadanugas. If so, clearly, this is a man with
severe sociopathic tendencies, yet he was made the head of the most
important deity worship program for "ISKCON's headquarters." This is also
the man who insisted that we have to keep the photos of sexual abusers and
deviants on Krishna's altars and so on. For example, after Harikesha was
exposed having lusty affairs with his therapist and he was having another
lusty affair with a disciple, this "pujari" argued with PADA. He said we
need to keep Harikesha's photo on the altar, sitting on Krishna's feet. The
bogus GBC's seem to "hand select" hard hearted molesters, abusers,
criminals, thugs and so on as their gurus, henchmen, and even their
"brahmana" deity worshipers.
In short, anyone who vehemently and sub-violently promotes lusty deviants
as: "equal to God in purity," they are immediately hand selected by the
bogus GBC gurus to worship Krishna on the altars. Here is a person who says
we need to keep the photos of lusty people sitting on Krishna's feet on the
sacred altars, and hence this is the man Svavasa hand selects to putrefy
the worship of Krishna. Now if people are worshiping lusty molesters as
their gurus, and the priest conducting the worship is another molester, and
all of the above is being juxtaposed as "equal to Krishna," then what?
Simple: this will spread molesting all over the society. Fast forward to a
few years later: the daughter of this man has reportedly had many "mental"
troubles; she is not taking her prescribed mental therapy medications; she
has suffered serious mental break-downs, fights, a nasty divorce because
she is so unstable, and so on. All because: she was molested "in the name
of God." This reminds PADA editor of the photo on TV news of some poor
ex-Catholic children who were holding up their arms to show where they had
slashed their wrists in suicide attempts. This is the end result of mixing
up religion with molesters.
And in a recent incident she was chasing some poor man down Watseka Avenue
in her car, so much so that people called the police.
The police were unable to stop her car immediately and this turned into a
big "Los Angeles car chase" with chase helicopters and so on. Finally the
police captured the young woman and they went back to Watseka to find out
what the trouble was, and we are told that Svavasa informed the police of
her history of molesting -- which is now creating so much shocking
behavior. So it seems as though many folks in ISKCON still do not
comprehend the trauma if not -- "shell shock" "post traumatic stress
disorder" and so on, that sometimes, or perhaps often times, occurs as a
result of child molesting. There does not seem to be a very serious plan or
program afoot to help these victims whatsoever, apart from a few window
dressing "child welfare conferences" once in a while.
PADA would argue that some of these victims will probably have a lifetime
of troubles, and that they will need constant help and attention. Who is
going to help them? Note: a woman follower of Narayana Maharaja was
recently arrested for assaulting another woman who was dating her ex-boy
friend [it seems that worship of deviants produces ill results]. Two
followers of Satsvarupa Maharaja were apparently "severely depressed" being
unable to stop their "guru" from printing his "sex novel." The former
bookeeper of Satsvarupa had to be carted off in an ambulance after being
medicated, and so on and so forth. So it seems that many of the ISKCON
leaders are creating depression and anxiety wherever they go, but the
ex-children are the worst examples since they were attacked as children,
they had no means of defending themselves.
ISKCON cannot seem to save itself from getting into major troubles, so
there is no apparent structure to help these victims. The only actual
"structure" to "help" anyone seems to be unlimited funds to buy the bogus
gurus whatever they need. Some of these ex-children victims have even been
committing suicide, what to speak of other crises they may experience. And
when the suicide process was at its peak in the mid-1990s, no one was
apparently doing much to help that crisis either. We were aghast, and hence
we had to get Windle Turley to help with that suicide crisis -- out of
desperation. And yet as soon as we did that, many howled at us for making
any effort to decrease the suicides. Anyway, this poor woman is in severely
painful mental agony, she is being tortured every single day. And yet it
seems the only thing the bogus GBC does is to have big meetings to figure
out when to buy a new Mercedes for their lawyers -- to protect themselves
from dealing with their molesting problem.
There does not seem to be much effort to make a program to help the
victims. Then again another ex-child committed suicide after seeing his
abuser (turned into "a guru") in this case: the GBC's big messiah
Dhanurdara. So PADA would suggest that a society that neglects its children
victims is not very advanced on the scale of human evolution, what to speak
of a society that tortures its children by forcing them to worship a child
molester guru regime. And then again we have folks like Rocana and
Bhagavata dasa defending their molester guru regime even today, claiming
that the card carrying members of the molester beejer guru project like
Sridhara Maharaja or Bhakti Marga swami are "diksha gurus," rubbing salt
into the wounds of the victims all the more. [Sridhara Maharaja is the
founder father of a 1936 homosexual guru cult that killed "dissenters," and
his "guru" committed suicide by drinking poison.]
Rocana for example thinks that Bhakti Marga swami is "a diksha guru" never
mind that Bhakti Marga is one of Dhanurdara's sweetheart "co-gurus" and
Bhakti Marga STILL supports the odious regime that makes molesters into
"gurus," and makes deviants into pujaris, -- and which causes children to
suffer if not spontaneously kill themselves. Why can't we all agree that
child abusers and molesters, indeed their entire regime, and the pillar
supportive infrastructure members such as: Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura
Govinda/ Tripurari/ Bhakti Marga swamis/ Bhagavata/ Rocana dasa, that whole
infrastructure sabha: is harmful to children? Why are we still bogged down
arguing if the worship of the post-1977 child molester messiahs project is
"a succession of gurus" "giving diksha" and so on? Why can't we just admit
that the post-1977 bogus GBC's "guru regime" is criminally negligent
towards children at best, and criminally abusive to children in any other
context. And that by keeping focus on "the need (for these deviants) to
give initiations (diksha)", we are crushing more children under our clumsy
feet?
"Our victims have to worship our guru regime that molested them, as their
messiahs." No mercy whatsoever. And Bhakti Marga swami has very recently
been running around lecturing to the ISKCON youth that they need to "take
initiation" from the EXACT SAME regime that "voted him in as guru" i.e. by
the pedophile guru's regime. "We could not get you initiated by homosexual
pedophiles like Kirtanananda, so now you must get initiated by his henchmen
such as Radhanatha, Chandrashekara, Umapati, Malati etc. or their boot
lickers like Bhakti Marga swami (and Bhakti Marga's boot licker is
Rocana)." How does this encourage the victims? The victimized youth have to
now validate the same bogus guru regime that -- orchestrated the molesting
of the youth. Unbelievable cruelty. And "reformers" like Rocana are clearly
part of this child torture process, he is still pounding the drum for his
"diksha guru" pals, so he is still insisting that the enforced cult
ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime is valid, as he has all
along since 1977 -- to the peril of the children. No mercy -- at all!
Clearly, this is one of the PRIMARY causes of frustration among the
ex-youth of ISKCON, that the leaders ("gurus" or second echelon leaders
like Svavasa/ Bhagavata/ Rocana -- the regime that created all their
molesting, are still being worshiped as leaders and "gurus" and NO ONE
seems to be taking any sort of responsibility and accountability for their
victimization. There is a lot of finger pointing, "this guy is responsible,
that guy is responsible," but from the Vedic view, it is the ALWAYS the
leaders (i.e. the bogus GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari/ Gaura Govinda
swamis/ Bhagavata dasa and Rocana dasa types) who are mainly responsible.
Yet this team is not taking much responsibility, they are instead saying
that they were right to promote their false guru process and "the ritviks"
are bogus because they did not worship their pedophile guru process.
The mass levels of molesting that occured could only have occured in the
form of a COLLECTIVE problem, a mass scale cooperation or acquiescing with
that regime, while marginalizing the critics (such as PADA and Sulochana)
as "ritviks" and "isolated cranks." How did you guess, the bogus GBC/
Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari/ Gaura Govinda swamis/ Bhagavata dasa and
Rocana dasa types) who are mainly responsible for support of the molester
regime, still say we are "cranks" because we would not surrender to their
molester pooja regime. Anyway, the upshot is that since they are not taking
the blame, they are deflecting the blame to Srila Prabhupada. He is often
blamed for "the troubles." See our reply to Bhagavata below on this issue.
Thanks pd
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3) ROCANA replies: ... In closing, I'd just like to say that I still admire
Yasoda nandana for staying dedicated and attached to Srila Prabhupada. I
know that he's sincere in this regard. My only humble suggestion to him is
that as soon as he can, he should get free from the mood that he adopted
back then, which is reflected in his recent article ("let me tell you how
it is, let me give you the absolute truth, my assertions are undebatable, I
speak only the absolute facts, "Srila Prabhupada liked it and approved of
it", etc.), the better off he'll be to himself and to the rest of us.
[PADA: Rocana, why are you still saying that "Srila Prabhupada approved" of
your homosexual pedophile guru lineage / regime (and your "reformed"
"diksha guru" pals like Bhakti Marga) as you have supported since 1977?
Then you wonder why the ex-gurukulis think "Srila Prabhupada wanted" the
post-1977 bogus gurus? And what in heaven's name do the South Indian
brahmanas you mention above, whom Srila Prabhupada says are bona fide
devotees, have to do with your lineage of debauched "gurus" who are voted
in at pedophile guru recoronations? Why are you guys always changing the
subject? How come you do never post our replies or Yasodanandana's replies,
where for example Srila Prabhupada encouraged Yasodananadana to preach to
these South India brahmanas, and to associate with them? And why are you
tossing in the topic of bona fide brahmanas into your pedophile lineage of
"diksha gurus"? And Yasodanandana was kicked out of ISKCON, what does he
have to do with the current mess?
Anyway yes, it is an absolute fact, your pedophile guru lineage has
destroyed ISKCON, why is this not an absolute fact? And you still insist
that your deviant guru process is "an absolute fact" -- as you have since
1977? And your grand diksha guru pals like Bhakti Marga swami are still
defending the molesters and poisoners regime leaders. Bhakti Marga swami's
disciples told us that "the poison issue is a waste of time" ("Someone says
that I've been poisoned." http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QrYNDdcBKDg /
Poison whispers: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OzyT98NLIUk.) Srila
Prabhupada poison case is "a waste of time"? Srila Prabhupada is a waste of
time, and this is the idea of "your best friends"?
Why are you supporting Tamal's defenders? Have you no idea what is the
karma of defending the poisoners of your guru? Another one of Bhakti
Marga's pals is Radhanatha, another person who is in denial about the
molesting he caused by his support of Kirtanananda, and there is more
holocaust denial over the kicking out of the devotees, more denial on the
poison case, and since you support that regime, that proves you are in
denial. That means you are not only wrong, but absolutely wrong! Did we
forget to mention that many of us consider that the heads of your "diksha
guru" lineage -- poisoned Srila Prabhupada? Yes it is wonderful, Bhakti
Marga has these fellows guru rubber stamp, but hardly any one approves of
this rubber stamp of guru from deviants, who are the same people we think
poisoned our guru. You are among the very rarefied few who are still
pounding the drum for this lineage.
Worse, in 1986 you were part of your absolutely oxymoronic process called:
"guru reform." The guru is absolute and yet -- he needs to be reformed, and
by Rocana? Rocana the "absolute" does not need to be "reformed" from
criminal actions? You are making the absolute truth into the relative
truth, and the criminal truth to boot, the main theme of the mayavadis, all
bogus guru cults, the sahajiyas, and many other deviants. Has no one ever
told you that absolute gurus are not in need of reform?
And what was the result of your "guru reform": (a) You excommunicated
Sulochana (and those of us complaining about the molesting) which resulted
in Sulochana's and other dissenters being murdered -- and in this way you
defended, protected and continued the child molesting; (b) You then "voted
in" as gurus your pals like Bhakti Marga swami, but your next wave of bogus
gurus has been deviating just as badly as the first wave; (c) Your team
re-instated the worship of a known homosexual pedophile as "Vishnupada" --
furthering the molesting process, and insulting Vishnu all in one sweep
etc. Let us not forget, the result of your grand "guru reform" was and is;
(d) The child molesting continued without cessation, punctuated with
murders of dissenters, and eventually your "diksha guru" policy bankrupted
of the whole institution.
To your credit you at least now say that Srila Prabhupada is the current
sampradaya guru, fine, but so does Badrinarayana and Giriraja swamis, but
then in the same breath you say your bogus guru pals ARE ALSO diksha gurus.
You are lumping in Srila Prabhupada with your pedophile guru regime as you
have since 1977. Why do you attack Srila Prabhupada every day of your life?
No, your perverted messiah's program does not contain ANY diksha gurus, it
contains people who are a hazard to children. Srila Prabhupada is a diksha
guru, your perverted lineage pals are deviants, plain and simple. Worse,
you attack Srila Prabhupada as "not in the tradition" because he refuses to
accept your "perverts are gurus" lineage / pals?]
[** RD: For now, he just repeats these mantras over and over again, which
has long been his preaching style - that, and pasting out copious quotes
from Srila Prabhupada, but providing little of his own realization.]
[PADA: Rocana, sorry to report this but your "perverts are gurus" mantra
regime molested almost all the kids, and yet you keep saying this regime
contains "diksha gurus"! You keep repeating your mantra that these deviants
are, were, could be, diksha gurus? Why, because we need to worship the boot
lickers of perverts posing as messiahs and toss our children into their
awaiting jaws to be gobbled up wholesale? Your idea that Bhakti Marga is a
diksha guru is wrong, he is "a compromised link" in a guru lineage of
molesters, poisoners and murderers. The actual bona fide links are pure,
not voted in by pedophiles as your alleged "links."]
[** RD: Personally, I find this approach somewhat condescending. While he
opens with the disclaimer that he's a humble conditioned soul, he's always
so absolutely sure on the issues, and his opponent is absolutely wrong.
This, of course, is the same mood he expresses in concluding what Srila
Prabhupada's last wishes were in regards to initiation. There's no debate,
even though he champions himself as the great debater.]
[PADA: Not only have you lost the debate, your child buggery messiah
project has bankrupted ISKCON. You keep repeating that your buggery lineage
pals are diksha gurus, that Srila Prabhupada is a deviant because he did
not authorize any deviants as your diksha gurus, you have no remorse for
the chaos you created, including the suicides of children. You are a
heartless person. All of you "reformers" have blood on your hands,
including Sulochana's whom you "reformers" excommunicated (so your child
molester pooja could go on), you cannot wash your hands for the next ten
kalpas, you cannot wash off the blood of devotees and the children victims
of your policy from your hands. You need to make a public statement that
you are fully disassociated from this lineage, that you no longer endorse
your ersatz messiahs, and that Srila Prabhupada is the only diksha guru for
ISKCON. thanks pd]
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4) Narayana Maharaja: Remove the Greatest Blasphemy from your Sanga BY:
GEORGE A. SMITH
Dear Narayana Maharaja,
The Highest Truth has gone to bat for you. The Highest Tattwa that you have
glorified by your praise, but which the thorns in your sanga cast like
garbage into the street and afterwards attempted to demonize. On her
account and for the benefit of the entire universe I write this as an
offering to you.
Several years ago, a sort of fireside chat appeared to which you were a
party. This was put forward as being your answer to the gurukula issue. It
was entitled "Did Prabhupada know?" Meaning: did Srila Prabhupada know
about the abuses occurring in the guru-kula? It was generally considered by
some of those conversing in the article that he did, and further it was
suggested that he did nothing to stop the abuses because it was for "the
good of the universe", necessary for the success of his mission, in other
words. It was further suggested that the children who were beaten, raped
and even murdered were deserving of what they got and that they had better
be appreciative.
[PADA: Narayana Maharaja is the founder father of the preaching that
ISKCON's molested children are "just getting their karma." Of course since
Narayana Maharaja has been the biggest cheer leader / supporter of the
enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile guru's regime,
that means Narayana Maharaja thinks he is authorized to orchestrate having
children starved, beat and molested, because he has been the biggest cheer
leader of that regime, the regime that has been doing that molesting. He
also says "there is nothing wrong" with his worship of homosexuals as
acharyas process, .... "nothing wrong" with beating and molesting children,
murdering dissenters etc.? "Nothing wrong" with criminals imitating
Krishna's pure devotees? Of course, if we want to worship a bona fide pure
devotee, he says that is "poison."]
** GS: That the whole thing was put forward as being your answer to the
question, with the expectation that it would be received happily by both
the parents and the victims of these abuses, further added insult to injury.
[PADA: Exactly. When some of the children heard that Narayana Maharaja said
"they are getting what they deserve (it is your karma to get Narayana
Maharaja's regime's jack boots in your face)" -- some of these poor
children committed suicide. And Narayana Maharaja says this too is simply
"too bad," despite he is to blame for supporting the molester guru regime
and defending that regime with his "it is your karma" argument.
This is simply another smoke screen argument to place the blame for
Narayana Maharaja's supporting the poisoners and molesters, it is all
anonymous bad karma. "I ran over you with my army tank, too bad, it is your
karma." Great. No remorse even. And Srila Prabhupada was getting bad karma
when the same people were poisoning him? Where does this argument begin and
where does it end? Mukunda dasa says these bad guys are evil illuminati, no
one can say for sure, but one thing is for sure: they are not acharyas,
gurus, diksha gurus, Vishnupadas, "Radha's dear servants" (as Narayana
Maharaja claims they are) and whatever else titles they have been using
while sitting under Narayan Maharaja's protective siddhanta umbrella. So
yes, insult of Vishnu by misuse of His title, insult to the victims and
just: insults all round.]
** GS: The suggestion that Srila Prabhupada knew about the abuses in the
gurukula system but that he did nothing to stop them because they were
necessary for the success of his mission is, in fact, the greatest
blasphemy against both Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krsna and you should have
known better than to put your name to it. The Highest Tattva has asked me
to look again at this article, to examine it for some ambiguity, something,
anything that would take your name off of it. I have done so but I have not
found it. Nevertheless, in the following portions of the article I have
found some "wiggle room" for you:
Sripad Madhava Maharaja: Srila Jiva Gosvami says that Krsna empowers His
pure devotee with His own qualities. Krsna has so many qualities, and one
of His best qualities is that He empowers His pure devotees with sarvajnata
and mugdata: omniscience and bewilderment or lack of knowledge. What to
speak of Paramapujyapada Swami Maharaja, all of the eternal associates of
Krsna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, like Srila Rupa Goswami etc. They all
have these two qualities simultaneously: sarvajnata and mugdata. And what
to speak if them, these two qualities are also simultaneously in the
Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna Himself. On one hand He is all-knowing
and on the other hand He is like a cowherd boy -- sometimes bewildered and
as though knowing nothing. In one of the Vedanta sutras it is stated that
when any empowered acarya comes to this world he performs what is called
naravata-lila. This means that he acts like a human being -- otherwise the
general mass would not be able to follow him. Although a perfect soul, he
behaves like a human being. In this way anyone can follow him and profit
from his advice.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: You will have to understand how he is mughda and
sarvajna. If the two qualities are not there, then he cannot help the
persons of this world. That is why his nara-lila (human-like pastimes) are
going on. At the root of nara-lila two things are there -- mugdhata and
sarvajnata.
I cannot take your name off the article Maharaja, but you may still be able
to. All you have to do is accept the gift that I offer you on account of
The Highest Truth, in response to your glorification of her. However it may
be seen by fools, to her it is a jewel.
This is the realization: Srila Prabhupada did not know what was happening
in the gurukula, he did not know before hand what would happen, for had the
knowledge of this come to him that this would be the future as he stood at
the rail of the steamship Jaladuta, my Srila Prabhupada would have never
landed on these shores. He would have thrown himself overboard rather than
establishing a mission in which little children were raped and murdered. He
would have drowned himself in the sea. He admitted in his prayer, written
on board, his own bewilderment, how he could not see how he was going to
accomplish his mission. Thus "mugdhata", he did not know, he did not see
these things that were to happen, while they were happening. Like a simple
cowherd boy how could he imagine such evils, let alone that they would be
committed in Krsna's name, or in his?
For a long time this troubled me, for although my Srila Prabhupada was
innocent, that he did not know, that surely Krsna must have known. But
through the friendship of the Highest Truth it has come to me that Krsna
also possesses these two qualities, and that of the past, present and the
future, only the past is graven in stone and the future, even in the mind
of Krsna, presents itself as an uncertainty. It is always a matter of the
present which future will be chosen, that at every and any moment, due to
the mercy of the devotees of Krsna, we have a choice, due to their power,
the ability to choose between slavery to the compulsions of our karma and
the lust in our hearts and freedom in the service of the pure devotee. Due
to the power of Srila Prabhupada, not even Krsna could know what future we
would choose. Even Krsna was bewildered by Srila Prabhupada.
So that is my realization, that neither Srila Prabhupada nor Krsna knew the
future, what would happen years from the time that Srila Prabhupada landed
or even in the very next moment. That leaves only the matter of Krsna
apparently not even knowing about what was happening while it was happening
and then stepping in at that time. I do not know the answer to that,
perhaps you do. As for the rest however, those are my realizations, which I
offer as a gift to you on behalf of the Highest Truth. Confirm them and by
so doing, take your name off that article, remove the greatest blasphemy
from the mouth of your sanga.
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5) Some Thoughts about Narayana Maharaja BY: MAHALAKSMI DASI
My dear Srila Narayana Maharaja,
My worthless dandavat pranams, all glories to Sri guru and Gauranga. I have
been studying an article entitled "Did Srila Prabhupada Know," wherein the
following excerpt is taken, regarding your answers on the issue of child
abuse.
Srila Narayana Maharaja: "It was for others. Actually, he was really
playing a trick. He is more tricky than Krsna because he is the disciple of
Krsna. We cannot know how tricky and highly qualified he is. He will go to
the East and say that he is going to the West. For him, East and West are
the same thing. This is also the answer to that question. Prabhupada came
as though he was in the stage of madhyama adhikari, as though he didn't
know anything; and on a few occasions be said to certain disciples, "I am
not sarvajya". Although he was preaching here and there, he is actually not
a madhyama adhikari. He is more than that. A madhyama adhikari can do
anything wrong, and it seems that he has done something wrong; but actually
he has not. Everything that happened was okay, and it was for the gain of
the whole universe."
I would humbly like to ask you, Srila Gurudeva, to clarify a few points
which I feel are essential for your disciples, as well as those examining
your preaching mission with a critical eye. To begin with, your statement
in the fifth instance of your speaking (in the article): this is where you
actually speak for some time. Your introduction to everything else, at that
point:
Srila Narayana Maharaja: "No; this cannot be. You will have to understand
how he is mughda and sarvajna. If the two qualities are not there, then he
cannot help the persons of this world. That is why his nara-lila
(human-like pastimes) are going on. At the root of nara-lila two things are
there-mugdhata and sarvajnata."
I would like to simply leave this quote with no explanation, because it is
so beautiful. If one reads it deeply, he will ask, "How can I understand
the intricacies of who is mughda and who is sarvajna?" But guru has said
YOU WILL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. So, who can understand these attributes, in
regard to Lord Krsna, and His pure devotees? Only one who has rendered
heart-to-heart, intimate service to his guru will be gifted with the
ability to enter into what these two words mean. THE SIGNIFICANT point,
which I am asking the congregation of devotees to consider, is that in the
section of the article where Srila Gurudeva is presenting his
understandings and realizations, THESE ARE THE FIRST WORDS. He does not say
that Srila Prabhupada is ONLY sarvajana ... to my understanding, in the
explanation following these words, he is indicating that, as Krsna or Lord
Rama appear to be mugdhata, ON ANOTHER LEVEL They are sarvajnata. Many
persons have concluded that your words, in saying that Srila Prabhupada is
sarvajnata, would mean he knew that molestation was going on, yet did
nothing about it, and this was for the good of the universe.
[PADA: Narayana Maharaja was the one who said that the ISKCON children "are
just getting their karma" ... which is to say: that Krishna approves of
their being molested. Yes, that is what Narayana Maharaja has been saying
all along.]
[ ** MD: I cannot imagine that you were saying this, so I am asking for
clarification. Personally, I am thinking that the level of realization,
which you are trying to give to the devotees throughout the world is not
understood by those who have not taken up the path of routine sadhana.
Regularly chanting the Holy Names purifies our heart to the point where we
can understand what is not said, as well as what IS said.]
[PADA: This is what Narayana Maharaja says: The worship of Srila Prabhupada
is "poison"; "There is nothing wrong" with the worship of buggery messiahs;
Srila Prabhupada is only a bhakta of Maha Vishnu and not Krishna; The
people who poisoned Srila Prabhupada are "very dear to Radha"; "The
children that I am crushing under my boots by supporting the worship of
child buggery messiahs are -- just getting their karma," Srila Prabhupada
is wrong on jiva tattva, wrong on Kaliki avatara, wrong to say the leaders
are only ritviks, wrong to attack the bogus gurus of the Gaudiya Matha, and
so on.]
[ ** MD: Am I correct in this conclusion, Srila Gurudeva? I am asking this
question for this reason, and this reason only ... many persons are taking
your words above, wherein you stated, "Everything that happened was OK, and
it was for the good of the universe" to mean that child molestation is OK.]
[PADA: Yes, Narayana Maharaja says that his support of the worship of
pedophiles is "for the good of the universe" and when people get molested
and murdered, that is too bad it is their fault, they are getting their
karma, i.e. Narayana Maharaja is authorized to foment molesting and
murders. Narayana Maharaja furthermore said that we ritviks are "poison"
because he knew we were protesting his homosexual pedophile guru program
and subsequent molesting. He knew we were saying the children are
suffering, and he wanted their suffering to continue, so he discredited us
and he said that the promoters of pedophile gurus are "very dear to
Radharani."]
[ ** MD: This is a pathetic conclusion, at best ... your words to me are
meant to indicate that all living entities are receiving their just
deserves, becoming purified, and by the mercy of the pure devotees such as
Srila Prabhupada, being allowed to go beyond the realms of karma by
entering into pure devotional service. This is what the words, "for the
good of the universe" suggest to my intellect. As there are some who choose
to read a different meaning, I am hoping that the topic of the article,
"Did Srila Prabhupada Know" can be briefly elucidated.
For persons who are not routinely engaging in sadhana, such conclusions as
those in the article, "Srila Narayana Maharaj should be Neglected" have
come forth. Although I am unable to speak for this person who has written
this article, I believe that deep in his heart he understands the higher
level, and he is trying to spark Your divine Grace to grasp the fact that
there are scores of individuals who misunderstood your statements.]
[ PADA: Nothing to misunderstand here? When Narayana Maharaja says "there
is nothing wrong" with his worship of homosexuals project, and hence
nothing wrong when they worship buggery as Vishnupada and then ban, beat,
and murder dissenters, and then their bogus guru's children are poisoned to
death, as occured with Narayana Maharaja's 1936 guru Ananta Vasudeva, that
means that Narayana Maharaja is an antinomianist, he is a lawless person in
the guise of a devotee. He openly cites that there is nothing wrong with
the worship of buggery messiahs and the resultant murders, at best this is
all "bad karma," you are a fool for getting under his army tank treads
(even if you are a child) not his fault at all!]
[ ** MD: Also, there are those who need to hear, specifically, "We do not
condone the heinous act of child abuse." To NOT have indicated this in the
article, "DID Srila Prabhupada Know" was perhaps an example of yourself
displaying mugdhata, Srila Gurudeva ... because at this stage, there are so
many gurukulis that NEED to be acknowledged that they have suffered deeply,
and have scars thirty years later from abuse suffered within the Hare
Krishna movement. To not express ANY words of disdain toward the activity
of child abuse, I personally feel, is avoiding a much needed show of
compassion.]
[PADA: Good point! When we said that the children are being molested by
Narayana Maharaja's guru regime, and the children are worshipping
peodphiles as their gurus -- which simultaneously insults Vishnua and
twists the children's brains into pretzels -- Narayana Maharja was spiting
mad at us! And so he said "the critics (of mine and Tamal's pedophile pooja
project) are poison," knowing that he could then get us killed by branding
us that way. Narayana Maharaja was living in Vrndavana when there was an
"anal reconstructive surgery" epidemic of children, so he must have heard
more than we did, he was associating with this program every single day!]
[ ** MD: Again, as you described in your discussion, there is no fault ...
a pure devotee can say that he is going east, and then go west, and there
is no fault. I am not writing this article to find fault, I am simply
grieved in my heart for the torment many individuals went through as young
children. I am absorbed in compassion for the material body, but as the
level of understanding of many persons is not beyond the pain and suffering
of the body and mind, they cannot hear the higher message.
It is also my conclusion, though I may be quoted perversely by some for
admitting this, I am very much an ignorant person, and would pray that my
endeavors to clarify these issues have not offended either Your Divine
Grace, Srila Narayana Maharaj, or anyone else. My dandavat pranams to all.]
[PADA: Great, we want this issue clarified! Why has Sridhara/ Narayana/
Tripurari/ Gaura govinda swamis/ and Bhagavata/ Rocana and others been
claiming that the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual
pedophiles regimes contains "Vishnupada gurus" or diksha gurus etc.? To the
peril of the children of the earth! Thanks pd]