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!"Mantra Rock Concert"!
1) Deities stolen in Costa Rica by four disciples of Guru Prasad swami.
2) ROCANA Update.
3) Report from the parallel lines of authority GBC committee By
Badrinarayan dasa
4) Final Words from Bhagavat! BY: BHAGAVAT DAS (ACBSP)
5) Self-realization Begins at Home BY: GEORGE A. SMITH (Exploiting women
and children in Narayana Maharaja's camp).
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* NEW!!! George Harrison Sings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7eFQMakhDE
* Costa Rica viva la revoluion! http://golokavrindavan.com/
* Indradyumna swami and his gurukuli female consorts (Ramesvara pt. 2):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRV5b3uNxBk&eurl
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* http://gitagita.com/en/prabhupada/018.html
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* Jaya Radha Madhava: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWVBLxaB14
* Jaya Radha Madhava by child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJsqsbf7IOA
* Sita Rama bhole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKFPuxpXdWM
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1) Deities stolen in Costa Rica by four disciples of Guru Prasad swami. Now
all of a sudden, Guru Prasad Swami is "sick and cannot make any phone
calls." Hmmm!: (a) guru Prasad has people "sign the property over to him,"
(b) then he wants to sell it, (c) people protest, (d) so he steals Krishna.
Sounds about right for the GBC's "gurus." Steal Krishna so we can steal the
property! PD
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Who: The Hare Krishna Movement Presents
What: "Mantra Rock Concert"
Where: People's Park, Berkeley, CA
When: Saturday August 18th 2007, 1PM-5PM
Everyone is invited to attend the 40th anniversary of the "Mantra Rock"
concert in People's Park in Berkeley, CA on Sat. Aug 18th from 1PM-5PM.
This concert pays homage to the original "Mantra Rock Dance" in 1967 at the
Avalon ballroom in San Francisco where Srila Prabhupada spoke and attended
with The Grateful Dead, Moby Grape, Janis Joplin and Big Brother and the
Holding Company, Jefferson Airplane, and Quicksilver Messenger Service.
Bands that will be playing at "Mantra Rock" include: Cipes and the People,
Namrock, The Temple Bhajan Band, and Clytie Rose Lane.
The Sri Krishna Dance Acedemy will perform ancient dances of India.
Speakers will include The Reverend Sally Kirkland, Gurudas, and Radhantha
Swami. The first 1000 people will receive a flower garland and the first
500 people will get a bottle of Radha Krishna Temple Holy Water. For more
information please contact: Punya at punyatma@gmail.com
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2) ROCANA Update. Rocana says that "his good friend" Bhakti Marga swami is
a diksha guru. Apparently, the only "qualification" of being "the
continuation of the parampara guru" nowadays is "being a good friend of
Rocana." "Sure, my pals are 'as good as
Krishna'! Any questions? If you question, then you are 'not in the
tradition' of Rocana's bogus rubber stamped gurus"! Whenever Rocana feels
the sudden urge to be "friendly" to someone, that makes Rocana's pals "the
sum total of the demigods," "Krishna's successors," and "the person who is
capable of absorbing sins for the fallen souls." Rocana merely waves his
Harry Potter magic wand and says, "presto bingo boingo," then there is "a
resident of Krishna loka" standing before us. More importantly, Rocana
recently found a plastic sticker at the bottom of his Corn Flakes which
says, "I am the sum total of -- the sum total of -- the demigods," and then
he thinks that makes him the creator of Krishna's successor diksha gurus,
and Rocana eliminates Krishna from the post of adi-guru and he hijacks
Krishna's position. Rocana thinks he is the creator of -- those who succeed
God!
Did we forget to mention that Rocana is just a little bit arrogant to
assume that he is now among "the exclusive persons" in charge of deputing
gurus since the function of -- empowering gurus -- is actually the function
of Krishna (God). Apparently Rocana has not noticed that his magic wand
process has made a slew of deviants, criminals and pedophiles as "gurus"
already. SORRY! It is not Rocana but Krishna alone who deputes and empowers
gurus, not Rocana's and Bhakti Marga's "committee"! "I hereby deputize the
guru," says deputy dog?
Yet who needs Krishna when we have Rocana's process of rubber stamp of his
pals as "gurus" left, right and center. Rocana is simply parroting his
actual boss and uber-meister leader, Mr. Badrinarayana dasa who also claims
(see Badri's article below) the bogus GBC's "guru committee" makes gurus
(such as Rocana's pal Bhakti Marga swami) i.e. Krishna is no longer
required to have that role. And did we forget to mention that Bhakti Marga
is in love with Kirtanananda's former henchmen and palanquin carriers like
-- Radhanatha swami. Why is Rocana supporting this criminal guru's regime?
OK, did we forget to mention that many of us do not think that
Kirtanananda's henchmen are "the sum total of the demigods" since they
aided and abetted an empire full of molesting, murders and criminal mayhem.
It is amazing that for people like Rocana, Krishna no longer exists as a
functional deity for these people? God is no longer required to empower His
gurus, Rocana and his bogus committee are doing that by their own "eternal
guru shakti" (which they found at the bottom of a Cracker Jack's package)
since apparently God's shakti has run out of gas. "My friends are gurus,"
of course those of us who are not so friendly are fried banana peels and
not the next "sin absorbing Jesus" in Rocana's neighborhood. Bhakti Marga
supports the process of Kirtanananda's boot lickers like Radhanatha being
gurus, Rocana supports Bhakti Marga, yet no one has ever explained how
"Bhakti Marga and Radhanatha's" homosexual pedophile gurus EVER became
gurus in the first place, except that they had "friends" in Rocana's "guru
by committee" process?
Rocana says he accepts gurus from Badri's "guru voting committee" which
"empowers and authorizes gurus," whereas he says our idea to worship a bona
fide pure devotee is "not in the tradition." Rocana has the same disease
that Sridhara Maharaja has. Some people were Sridhara Maharaja's friends
("pet friends" chides Srila Prabhupada), so he made them into gurus. Srila
Prabhupada says this is all bogus because of course: the guru is deputed by
Krishna, not by Sridhara Maharaja, or Badri, or Rocana? Rocana is very
humble -- because Rocana is better than God? God no longer needs to empower
gurus since Rocana does. This is ritvik-diculous. No wonder Rocana has been
drooling on himself and cannot explain his siddhanta for the past 30 years,
since his siddhanta is the same as: Badrinarayana's, the bogus GBC's/
Sridhara et al. OK, Rocana "empowers" the guru, and not Krishna. And how
did you guess, the same committee that Badri says is in control of Rocana's
guru Bhakti Marga swami is the same committee that voted in Rocana's guru
-- Bhakti Marga swami.
Yep, we can kick God out on the street and make our own "guru factory" as
Srila Prabhupada sardonically addresses these fools, and vote in gurus,
control gurus -- by the votes of deviants. Hence the first problem with
Rocana is that he validates the bogus GBC's bogus guru lineage (see for
example): harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-07/editorials1758.htm. Rocana
claims that the members of the child molester guru regime like Bhakti Marga
swami are initiating gurus i.e. "diksha gurus." Yet Rocana never explains
how/ or when/ or why/ these people ever -- became gurus, except by the
process of bogus "guru by rubber stamp"? This is the same trouble we have
had with the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari/ Gaura Govinda swamis and
Badrinarayana group. When did Srila Prabhupada authorize -- any -- of these
folks to be gurus? Rocana never tells us -- for the past 30 years?
Bhakti Marga swami is part and parcel of the same regime that apparently
poisoned Srila Prabhupada, created tons of apa-siddhanta literatures,
orchestrated the molesting of all kinds of children, orchestrated murders,
ad infinitum, how is this lineage -- pure? Or is this what Rocana considers
as pure? Or is Rocana saying that the bona fide guru lineage is ... not
pure? For example, Rocana claims Bhakti Marga is an initiating (parampara)
guru, quite astonishing since Bhakti Marga is "voted in as guru" by the
same folks who re-instate the worship of known homosexual pedophiles being
worshiped as "Vishnupada." How are these odious deviants authorized to
"vote in" anyone else as "a pure devotee guru." Which previous acharyas
were "voted in," period?
Rocana is speechless and simply drools on himself with no reply. The same
people Rocana's "guru" Bhakti Marga got his "guru certificate" from also
"certify" known pedophiles as gurus, why does Rocana validate this system?
Why doesn't Rocana know by now that pedophiles are not Vishnupada, and that
the people who establish that odious process are -- not -- qualified to
"vote in" -- more gurus? Why does Rocana direct or de facto validate the
program of vilifying Vishnu? In short, all we have to do is pick up a
corner of Rocana's carpet to find "what that smell is," and we find that he
sweeps all kinds of garbage under his siddhanta carpet, including that
Rocana is validating "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual
pedophile guru's regime" (and / or those validated / voted in / by that
regime).
Rocana, have you no idea that NO previous gurus were "voted in"? Period!
And why would a bona fide guru be voted in by child molester "gurus" or
members of that regime in any case? Oh, we forgot, Rocana only "follows the
tradition," his own concocted tradition: the child molester messiah's
regime and its component members or out cropping. Rocana's idea can be
summed, only those dedicated faithful to the pedophile guru's lineage are
giving diksha, Srila Prabhupada is not pure enough to do so! Swell! Rocana
says that there must be "a current living guru," which is of course what
the bogus GBC, Gaudiya Matha, smartas, sahajiyas and the Catholic Pope says
too. And how handy is this! Rocana has some nice deviants for us to worship
as our gurus! Yet Rocana never tells us where his "living guru" process was
ever "ordered by Srila Prabhupada"?
Mind you, Srila Prabhupada says the opposite: that we do not want another
"living guru" imbroglio like the Gaudiya Matha. Worse, Rocana has stated
that Srila Prabhupada "gave no clear orders" despite we have published his
clear orders countless times and sent them to Rocana. Rocana simply says
that folks like Bhakti Marga are "gurus," but Rocana never explains: where
was the order given for Bhakti Marga to be a guru, a successor to Krishna
etc.? No. "The order" is for a Governing Body ONLY, and not living gurus.
And worse, we have asked Rocana to quit saying what the GBC says (and which
insults Srila Prabhupada) that our guru "gave no specific orders." And we
asked Rocana to show us: what are the specific orders? And /or where is
"the order" for people like Bhakti Marga to be gurus? Rocana says there are
no specific orders, therefore he merely assumes that the bogus GBC's are
diksha gurus? Rocana is just making up the orders ashe goes along, and he
is by the way making up the wrong orders?
Worse, Rocana admits that the followers of his so-called living gurus do
not hesitate to harass, vilify and insult the devotees of Srila Prabhupada,
so why is Rocana encouraging a violent cult that despises the disciples of
Srila Prabhupada (OK and sometimes beats and murders his disciples)? This
is "the tradition"? Sorry Rocana but your "good friend" and guru pal Bhakti
Marga swami has "gone along with" tons of full-fledged crimes and bogus
siddhanta uttered and penned by the post-1977 ISKCON leaders. How can
Bhakti Marga give diksha, "absorb the sins of his followers," when he
associates with the sinful, and is voted in by the sinful? And Rocana says:
Bhakti Marga's preaching is so bogus and fanatical that his own followers
attack Srila Prabhupada's followers? This is the mood we want for ISKCON, a
cat fight amongst competing guru franchises? And what we want is, a vicious
mood that creates murders -- or -- the potential for the murders of the
followers of Srila Prabhupada? Some of Bhakti Marga swami's followers have
written to PADA some of the most insulting materials we ever got from
anyone, and Rocana is encouraging this process? Rocana wants the disciples
of Srila Prabhupada to receive veiled threats of violence? Why is Rocana
encouraging sub-violent cult moods for ISKCON -- after -- it is well
recorded that people get molested and murdered from Rocana's cult's
previously encouraging this fanaticism?
We cover more of Rocana's failed siddhanta in the article by Badrinarayana
below, where we indicate some of the big troubles with Rocana's so-called
living gurus theory. If (as we say) there was only an order for a Governing
Body, how is the guru subordinate to a committee? Don't expect any sane
answer from Rocana anytime soon, he has no idea how to reply to any of this
for the past 30 years. thanks pd
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2) Report from the parallel lines of authority GBC committee By
Badrinarayan dasa
1. What is the goal of your committee?:
Our committee deals with the situation we often find in ISKCON where there
are two lines of authority in ISKCON: the initiating spiritual masters and
GBC body/ GBC member/ Temple President system created by Srila Prabhupada.
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says: "The spiritual master is the external
manifestation of Krishna (hence) the spiritual master speaks as Krishna
dictates." Now all of a sudden, Krishna has been erased from the equation
and the guru is guided instead by -- a "committee" headed by Badrinarayana
to "manage" "the spiritual master." Which previous acharyas (i.e. Vaishnava
spiritual masters) were under "Badrinarayna's committee's authority" or
"parallel line" (jurisdiction). Which previous gurus submitted to any
"Governing Body, period"? (None did)! How is it that Krishna and His gurus
are suddenly "managed by committee"? A disciple of Gaura Govinda gave PADA
the same convoluted process, "Gaura Govinda swami is a guru -- and part of
the Governing Body -- which manages gurus." We at PADA forgot to go to
college and take "Managing the Guru in ten easy lessons" taught by BR
Sridhara Maharaja and Rocana. Yes, you too can 'manage' the sum total of
the demigods, the assistant of the gopis, you too can be the master of the
spiritual master, what, only ten bucks for the class!
No, Srila Prabhupada says that the guru is transcendental to a Governing
Body. Isn't it that Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda swamis et al. ... and
now Badrinarayana, are trying to establish a sort of Catholic Church, there
is "The College of Cardinals" and they "manage" the Pope by a system of
votes. And where does Srila Prabhupada discuss Badri's idea: that "the
guru" is subordinate to the votes from "the committee"? Ooops! Srila
Prabhupada says the opposite "mundane votes have no jurisdiction over the
acharyas." Krishna says "acharyam mam vijnaniyam," "the acharya is as good
as My very self," but Badrinarayan says Krishna's idea is bogus. All of a
sudden, Krishna no longer has any authority to "dictate to the guru" (as He
has done for the past seven billion ga-zillion kalpas). Rather, Krishna
needs to quit being God and He has to accept His new baby-sitter, the
"parallel authority committee" of the bogus GBC.
This is getting really bad folks!: God and Badri are now parallel equals!
Essentially, Badri has ordered God has to shut up, quit giving the guru
"direction and dictation" and the guru must now listen instead to
Badrinarayana. The bogus GBC has officially declared that they have the
power to overthrow the authority of God and remove Him from the post of
"dictating to guru." At best, Badri is God's equal authority since God is
dictating to the guru -- and so is Badi -- "parallel." Yet Badri does not
even mention Krishna's "instructions to guru" as the "chaitya guru"?
Krishna is no longer needed as any part of the guru process since
apparently -- only -- Badrinarayna's committee has the authority to
"dictate" to Krishna's gurus. Krishna is not even parallel now, He is
subordinate to Badri! In Rocana's system he is superior to God, he says God
is "not in the tradition" if God does not endorse Rocana's pedophile guru
line, and Badri is clearly God's uber-meister as well; "God cannot dictate
around here, just Mr. Badri"!
Again, notice! that Badrinarayana does not even mention Krishna's name --
AT ALL -- in his "committee" process above! Krishna has been totally erased
from the entire process of "dictation to the guru" and He has been replaced
with "the committee." The first problem, as we all know, is that the bogus
GBC's "diksha gurus" usually behave very badly. If these gurus are
"operating under the authority and dictation" of the bogus GBC's "expert
supervision and oversight committee" (and their "rasika" advisors like
Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja) -- by their own admission, why is Badri's
GBC dictating to their gurus to be "engaged in illicit sex with men, women
and children." That means the bogus GBC have not been doing a very swell
job of "acting as the guiding super soul of the guru" and "managing" their
gurus. As for Rocana, Krishna cannot dictate to his gurus very well,
neither Rocana can dictate to his gurus very well, apparently in his system
it is full on renegade gurus. Who is dictating to Rocana's gurus? Rasputin?
In short, assuming that Badrinarayana's bogus GBC committee has the power
to replace the super soul in the heart, why are they then "dictating to the
guru" to have illicit sex, take drugs and so on and so forth? Sounds like
the replaced Krishna to "dictate to the guru by committee," and yet they
are dictating nonsense to their gurus. Why has Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura
Govinda/ Tripurari swamis/ -- and -- Badrinarayan been saying that the
guru only speaks as -- Badrinarayana's bogus GBC committee dictates? When
did Srila Prabhupada say "when the guru speaks, he is only able to speak
what the 'parallel line committee' (supporters of the enforced cult
ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime) like Badrinarayana,
tells the guru what to say"? There you have it, the person who is receiving
dictation from Krishna is over-ruled by -- Badrinarayana's "committee." The
GBC has just declared that Badrinaranaya's committee is the overlord of
God, because they alone dictate to God and Guru.
Well this is just swell pilgrims! Badrinarayana is the new boss of God, and
His spiritual master gurus, and people like Jesus, the mahajanas, saints,
prophets, and so on, hence the diksha gurus are all now going to get their
dictation from -- Badri! Of course Rocana has said something along the
lines of the same idea. Rocana recently stated "When the guru speaks, the
guru has to say what Rocana says, or else he is 'not precedented'." For
example, when Srila Prabhupada says "I will live from my books," Rocana
says this is totally bogus, Rocana argues with Krishna's dictation, "This
is all bogus, how come my guru is not listening to -- me, Mr. Rocana, the
boss of Krishna, there is -- no precedent -- for gurus to say they will
live on -- because I, Mr. Rocana, say -- gurus are not immortal they are --
posthumous and post-mortem"! Good question, why doesn't Krishna ever listen
to -- these pin heads? Maybe because Krishna does not think worship of his
gurus is postmortem like the bogus GBC and their clones like Rocana?]
[** BD: Our goal is help craft a shared, supportive, and shastrically sound
system for guiding devotees in ISKCON.]
[PADA: OK now this is getting interesting. We cannot find any actual
scriptural evidence where "the guru is getting dictation direct from
Krishna -- and Krishna is over-ruled by Badrinarayana." So the bogus GBC
has to "craft" (concoct) such a process. Again we can go back to many
similar bogus statements, for example the 1986 "Guru Reform" effort of the
"gurus" (and Rocana) as well, "The guru is getting direct dictation from
God, but we are going to 'reform' what God says"! Q: "OK, and who made you
the boss of God"? A: "Oh, I found a plastic badge in the bottom of my corn
flakes, 'Boss Of God.'"]
[** BD: Rather than sometimes working at cross purposes, the aim is to have
a system that respects, guides, and nurtures the devotees in general, as
well as all those senior devotees who give siksha and diksa in ISKCON. One
of the elements in this formula is having open and transparent standards
for all of our leaders and a clear system of accountability and assessment.]
[PADA: Here we go again! The ISKCON gurus are opposed to one another in
"cross purposes." OK, they are always arguing and operating at sometimes
diametrically opposed "cross purposes" with one another, just as Badri
says. Agreed. Yet these gurus are also "getting direct dictation from God"
-- i.e. God is fighting and arguing with Himself -- through the gurus He
dictates to? Yikes! And how do we hold Krishna "accountable" when he
mis-dictates to the guru (which Krishna is doing -- according to Badri)?
Krishna is accountable to -- Badrinarayan dasa for His mis-dictating?
Krishna has to "answer to and be assessed" by the bogus GBC? How does this
make sense? God is dictating to the guru, His dictations are bogus, so the
committee will correct the bad dictation of God? God and guru are
subordinated to the ISKCON Governing Body, and God's dictations are going
to be "assessed and corrected" by the committee.
God's dictation is: accountable to a committee? So God can only "dictate"
when the committee approves of His orders? This is really getting absurd.
God is giving contrary orders to His gurus, so they are always arguing and
operating at "cross purposes" (says Badri). Whereas Srila Prabhupada says
"guru means one" (in agreement). How do we fit "cross purpose" into
oneness? Leave it to Badri to place words in Krishna's mouth, that He never
said. Yet Krishna does say that the Veda Vada Rata (Badri) change and
distort His words and thus they go to the darkest regions of the universe.
This is another question which Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari/ Gaura Govinda
swamis/ and Rocana et al. have never answered either, "How can a Governing
Body dictate to the guru, when the guru is receiving DIRECT dictation from
the higher source"? Suppose we tell the citizens that they now have to
receive orders from the street sweeper, and not the king, and moreover the
street sweeper now over-rides the king? Evidently these are things that
these fellows never took into consideration from the beginning of their
deviation. Even Hansadutta admitted this, "The idea that the guru needs
'dictation' from a body of fools who are constantly making mistakes, if not
engaging in illicit sex and drugs, is idiocy."]
2. What successes are you hoping for?: Well, how successful we are only
time will tell. These are sensitive issues that have torn apart other
institutions.
[PADA: Good point. After 1936 Sridhara maharaja's deviant Gaudiya Matha
faction tore apart the mission because, just like Badrinarana, he made
homosexuals and deviants into "God's living spokesmen on earth."]
[** BD: One success is the fact that we are talking about it at all. Srila
Prabhupada started something revolutionary; a multi-guru system all serving
under a governing body. How that all works out so that the disciples, the
gurus, temple presidents, sannyasis, and congregation are protected and
enlivened, while keeping Srila Prabhupada central as our founder-acharya,
for generations to come, is no easy task.]
[PADA: Oh boy, here we go: "Srila Prabhupada started something
revolutionary, Krishna is no longer going to dictate to the guru, rather
Badrinarayana is going to overlord and over-step Krishna's dictation to the
guru." When did Srila Prabhupada say that was going to be his process?
Also, where is this "multi-guru" system ordered by Srila Prabhupada? Where
does he say that some of his multi-disciples are now getting dictation from
Krishna? Who are those multi-disciples? And where does he say that when the
guru gets dictation from Krishna, the orders of Krishna are tossed out and
we follow instead -- Badrinarayana's orders -- and not Krishna's? And if
all these gurus are all getting "dictation from Krishna," how come they are
always infighting, day in and day out, all the time, over money, siddhanta,
temples, disciples, did we forget the money, and indeed we have heard some
of these "gurus" calling each other ill names like "pieces of sh*t" and so
on. Why is Krishna giving all this convoluted dictation? And why is Krishna
dictating that we need to call other pure devotees "pieces of sh*t"? Why is
Krishna "dictating" words found in the common street bum?]
[** BD: 3. What are the challenges facing your committee: Let's take just
one of the questions on the table for example: "Who delivers the jiva?" It
is not just the diksha guru and everyone else is chopped cabbage. Whoever
is giving genuine siksha is essential to the process. There is the mercy of
the holy name, the Deities, sadhusanga in general—there are so many
factors. How to develop a mature society that reflects all these dynamics?]
[PADA: Neither Badri nor Rocana's gurus can deliver themselves, we
constantly find them in the gutter, often stealing manpower, money and
women from ISKCON. This is the bona fide guru process? No, it is a scam to
exploit ISKCON.]
[** BD: 5. How can devotees participate and contribute in this? Give us
some time, your prayers, and suggestions. We are working on training
manuals, guide books, philosophical support papers, retreats, and seminars.
I believe that the goal is eventually to have a website set up with the
work of all the GBC’s strategic planning committees work posted there but
in the mean time devotees can contact our committee chair, Prahladananda
Maharaja at Prahladananda.Swami@pamho.net. Thank you for asking and Hare
Krishna.]
[PADA: Great stuff, after being gurus for the past 30 years, we are going
to make a committee to find out, what is a guru. Sheesh! ys pd]
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3) Final Words from Bhagavat! BY: BHAGAVAT DAS (ACBSP) — Ok, there is a lot
to respond to out there, so lets begin: First of all I appreciate Tamohara
Prabhu's deep affection for me from our days together in Bhubaneshwara,
where we served Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja together.
[PADA: OK great, here is the first problem: Gaura Govinda Maharaja was
"voted in as guru" at the 1986 recoronation of a known homosexual pedophile
posing as "Vishnupada." Why didn't Gaura Govinda Maharaja and Bhagavata
dasa stand up and oppose all this offensive deviation at that meeting? And
for that matter, why did Narayana Maharaja encourage these bogus leaders as
"rasika devotees" -- just after they "voted in" a pedophile as their
messiah? Why are the leaders that Bhagavata dasa is promoting "voting in as
gurus" -- criminals, deviants, homosexuals and even pedophiles as their
"Vishnupada" gurus? And why hasn't Tamohara been clear on these issues
either? And how come Gaura Govinda Maharaja said we PRABHUPADANUGAS are
deviants, and Narayana Maharaja says we are "poison," because we do not
worship pedophiles as our messiahs?]
** BD: Now Rasarani devi dasi: I never changed or edited any of Srila
Prabhupada’s books and I consistently fought against that.
[PADA: Great, except that you, Gaura Govinda and Narayana swamis supported
Tamal's book changes process by saying he is a guru.]
** BD: I believed at that time that Srila Prabhupada appointed these
persons as gurus, although I did not agree with the zonal guru concept.
[PADA: Well if your "gurus" have "guru franchise zones," they are not
gurus? Gurus do not have franchise zones like a corporation? That means
Sridhara, Narayana, Gaura Govinda swamis were supporting a known deviation
-- "zonal gurus." Good point, you knew this was all deviation and you and
your swami pals supported it anyway.]
** BD: And so I worked co-operatively with them to preach, believing that
it was what Srila Prabhupada wanted me to do -- "co-operate." When I saw
things were not working out, I supported the Guru Reform Movement and
attended the New Vrndavana meetings, which were attended by devotees from
all parts of the world and on all levels of the society: Gurus, GBC’s,
Temple Presidents, temple commanders, Sankirtan leaders and Sankirtan
devotees, cooks, pot washers, etc., etc.
[PADA: Oh here we go, "co-operate" with the worship of pedophile messiahs,
that is not what Srila Prabhupada ordered silly man! Gaura Gaovinda
Maharaja told us the same thing, well we need to coooperate (with the
worship of buggery)?]
** BD: The dismissal of one Guru and the dismissal of the Zonal Acharya
concept was a product of that meeting and the inclusion of new Gurus was
also a product of that meeting.
[PADA: But! your gurus still have zones. You never explained how you are
going to "reform" the vishnupada, you are better than the vishnupada? No,
you never explained how homosexuals and pedophiles can "vote in" more
gurus, you just spread the diseases, that's all.]
** BD: Later when I lived in Alachua, I was elected to an Advisory Board
which spent one year designing a management system which was based on
having a management board elected by the community.
[PADA: Oh swell, the guru is under the control of "the advisory board," the
same board that kept the zonal gurus.]
** BD: The community voted on this very elaborate plan and then only put
pieces of it in place. Although every few years when a new board was
elected, as the Vice-Chairman of the original advisory board I would
dutifully make copies of all the documents that were drawn up and give them
to the new board members and ask them to try and implement the entire
system. After 14 years and several new boards it is still not in place in
its original entirety, although everyone always agreed when they saw it
that it was a great management system. I finally gave up.
[PADA: You cannot manage the guru, you are an idiot.]
** BD: I would hardly call this 'buggering up' but hey, who even knows what
the word means.
[PADA: And because you nade bogus gurus and failed to manage your gurus,
children were buggered. Correct. Your guru lineage is also known as the
child buggery messiah's project.]
** BD: Maybe what I did is your definition of buggering up. Anyway, I have
nothing more to say about this. If it makes you happy to call Me a Buga Boo
or whatever, then enjoy yourself, Rasarani devi dasi, and I hope you find
Krishna Prema.
[PADA: Very funny, your process buggered thousands of children and you
think this is some silly joke. No compassion.]
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Self-realization Begins at Home BY: GEORGE A. SMITH
A year after my second visit to see Narayana Maharaja I found myself
standing across the street from an old church, chanting Hare Krsana and
thinking how nice it would be if that old church became Sri Sri Radha
Govinda's temple. That, and how nice it would also be if the sanga that
operated it was that of Narayana Maharaja.
"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Nor forget about Him either, that
He is always there, always conversant with the desires of your heart. Eight
or nine years afterwards I found myself again passing by that place, so far
and out of the way from my customary haunts, chanting Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, as has been
customary to me since I left ISKCON in 1977. As I began to walk by the old
church, this time upon the same side of the street, I noticed that it had
been painted, the same saffron color that the temples of Sri Sri Radha
Krsna were sometimes painted in. I had little time to reflect upon my
feelings then, for after a few more steps I saw a young man and a little
boy, both wearing sandals, dhotis, kurtas and lo and behold, tilak and
there on three heads, sikas.
I found out later on that three or four years after I had stood across the
street from what had become the Radha Govinda mandir in Venice Beach Ca.,
wishing, but not expecting it to become what I had wanted it to be, that it
had become exactly what I had envisioned it to be. My first questions to
Bhagavat das are not my last, and are based upon his recent writings here
in the Sampradaya Sun, as well as some knowledge both of he and his
activities during the last eight or nine months.
My first questions to Bhagavat das are somewhat rhetorical and are posed
for his benefit and that of the assembly rather than my own. They are:
Where are you going to find souls more fallen or more conditioned, less
interested in realizing the true values of Lord Chaitanya's Harinam
Sankirtan movement, than those that one can find in ISKCON, and in high
positions within it evidently?
Where are you going to find conditioned souls more asleep? Certainly not on
the Venice Beach Boardwalk, where tens of thousands of people lost in
passion and ignorance walk by every day, four blocks away from the
Radha-Govinda mandir, the temple that you yourself were recently so
instrumental in closing. In this Mandir, you yourself became a willing
participant in both the abuses of the devotees occasioned by that debacle,
old and pregnant women, and entire families thrown out onto the street.
Where are you going to find a sanga more neglectful of its responsibilities
towards the victims of its abuses, more punitive of truthfulness, more
deceitful and treacherous in its attempts to make itself look faultless?
Not only did the chief secretary of that sanga that you have fled to for
whatever reason lie about having taken care of the victims that it created,
but he did so using the name of his master. Not only that but when I wrote
to him, requesting that he do what he had already claimed to have done and
take responsibility for caring at least for the female devotees, rather
than accepting responsibility for providing for these women he suggested to
me that I myself provide them a means of livelyhood by making prostitutes
of them, becoming their "sugar uncle", or daddy. Where, Bhagavat das, are
you going to find a sanga whose chief secretary and acharya hopeful is more
of a jerk and a punk?
Another question for you Bhagavat das, did you protest the attempts of your
sanga to demonize the devotees that complained to it about their
mistreatment? I understand your difficulty Bhagavat prabhu, it is much
easier to live in one’s own fantasy world in which one is opening temples,
making devotees and acting with utmost integrity,than to face a cold and
hard reality in which one is not what one imagines oneself to be and that
others may be imagining one to be also. Bhagavat das...a pure devotee? It
sounds so sweet, such an alure.
You do not know me from "atom", Bhagavat, but when we become trapped in the
glamor of our own fantasies about ourselves can it be said that we even
know ourselves, or that others around us may not perceive us in a moments
unguarded outburst better than we even see ourselves? Our dear departed
friend Puru das was found of quoting Shakespeare.
[PADA: And Puru argued with PADA for 20 years that we need to keep
Kirtanananda as a guru, and after we proved that Puru's policy caused
molesting, then Puru said we need to support the people who kept the
molester regime going like Narayana Maharaja.]
He would have appreciated that line from Hamlet: "The plays the thing to
catch the conscience of the King." The last words that I heard you speak;
in response to Yogamaya’s sending a beautiful woman off into a bedroom to
put on something "more appropriate" for your program were "Damodhar Priya
has on enough clothes for me." Those were your words, were they not
Bhagavat das? Made in an ungaurded moment in a jocular fashion, what do
they say about you? Some things I can sympathize with because I also am a
man, and other things which I cannot sympathize with at all, because I am
not a devotee at all, let alone going around parading myself in such a way
as to recruit others in my fantasies or into the new sanga which I have
joined in search of opportunities denied to me in the sanga that I have
left, to their detriment. You are Bhagavat das, you are, that is your
reality. You can, however depart from that reality at any moment. The
choice is yours. But in the meantime, although you may choose to deceive
yourself as you like, when you attempt to deceive others you invite
everyone, even demons like me to call you on it.
One last question Bhagavat das, and this one is not rhetorical. I told you
what happened, how I stood across the street from an old church in an out
of the way place chanting Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Jare Hare
Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare imagining it to be Krsnas temple and an
outpost of Narayana Maharaja’s sanga and it became one several years later.
Whose desire was Krsna fulfilling by closing it? Don’t tell me that it was
Narayana Maharaja’s, I know better.
[PADA: We were told that Narayana Maharaja approved of the sale.]
It was yours Bhagavat, yours and the desires of others. Yours, as it became
apparent that the tens of thousands who passed by within steps of the
temple each day were not making a beeline to fall at your lotus feet. Yours
at the notion that life was passing you by as others were in better
positions to gain those things that ISKCON had denied to you. Yours as you
lamented being so far off from the other vultures gathering for the feast.
As I told our dear friend Puru a few days before his passing, soon you will
have another ISKCON.
I am sorry for being so critical of you Bhagavat. I know that Srila
Prabhupada loved you and that you love him still, but I also know that you
are capable of becoming just as you and others imagine you now to be, and
that all that you have to do to become so is to refuse to compromise those
high ideals that you express and this you can only do if you depart from
self-deceptional fantasies that you are engaging in. It will not be easy
Bhagavat, but if I recall correctly, long ago Srila Prabhupada told you
that if you ever needed anything, just to ask him. There was no time limit
on that offer Bhagavat. I was glad to see that your foot had healed, I will
be overjoyed when your fantasies become your reality, when the thousands
who pass within steps of wherever you are make a beeline to fall at your
feet due to the purity with which you preach.
[PADA: Frankly what to expect here? Narayana Maharaja all along supported
the anti-women, anti-children and pro-homosexual pedophile messiahs
project, he cites "there is nothing wrong" with making homosexuals into
messiahs even when people who object are murdered, so what will happen to
the vulnerable in his sosicety? We wonder. thanks pd]
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