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* BV Tripurari followers defend Satsvarupa's bogus literatures.
1) The story of Luv and Kush (the sons of Rama)
2) Srila Prabhupada's Disappearance Pastime BY: BHAKTA ALEX An exchange
with Dhira Govinda prabhu.
3) RE: Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami by Jagadbandhu dasa
4) Srimad Bhagavatam: The Real Solution! BY: BHAGAVAT DAS (ACBSP)
5) Ritvik, the Sanskrit Term BY: SATYAHIT DAS
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* BV Tripurari swami's followers defend Satsvarupa's mixing Vishnu and
illicit sex.
Madhu (disciple of Tripurari from New Orleans writing about SDG's
paintings): Shut up troll. You have no power here. Be gone, before a house
falls on you too!
PADA: Notice, Tripurari clan now says that anyone who does not agree that
Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami should be writing sex literatures -- mixed with
pictures of Vishnu -- should have a house fall on them (and die)! In other
words, those of us who do not agree that Krishna's successor gurus should
be writing sex novels, mixed with photos of Vishnu, should -- die. How
"rasika" love is the Tripurari clan? They want those of us who do not
worship illicit sex, mixed with Vishnu, to -- die! Let's face it, Tripurari
has defended the GBC's pedophile guru cult all along and his cult is still
are defending the main pillars like SDG.
And now that their main "position paper" writer (SDG) is making "divine
paintings and writings" juxtaposing illicit sex with a picture of Vishnu
and Vaikuntha, the poor Tripurari heads are still being trained by
Tripurari to defend this process. Or what? Why does Tripurari pal around
with Satsvarupa anyway? And why is Tripurari's cult always defending these
insults to Lord Vishnu? Sorry, "the house" of Yamaraja is going to fall on
those who admixture Vishnu with illicit sex, like Tripurari's pals, at
least so says shastra. Thanks pd
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SANGRAM WRITES about Satsvarupa: Wonderfull !!!!!!!! u r such a great
devotee! :) if you continue your mission of critisizing Krsna's devotees
you will be succesfull in scarying away new ppl, creating a bad public
image of KC and going to hell !!! congrats !
PADA: Sangram thinks that the writing of mundane sex literatures, admixed
with photos of Vishnu, is written by gurus and "Krishna's devotees." Nope!
Srila Prabhupada says that these sahajiyas "depict Krishna is various lusty
ways" (they make paintings like Satsvarupa is doing -- blending Krishna or
Vishnu with material lust) and as such "they are paving their way to hell."
Where does Srila Prabhupada say that one is supposed to make a painting of
illicit sex mixed with a painting of Vaikuntha and Vishnu?
Shastra says such depictions are most sinful, and the painter is on the way
to hell. And yes, many of the paintings Satsvarupa makes are very scary,
weird, bizarre etc. "They look like the paintings made in prison by a
murderer" one of PADA's reader suggests. Sorry, Srila Rupa Goswami says
that these sahajiyas are "utpat" -- merely a disturbance to the sincere
devotees. Then again, even the ordinary mundane karmi "nudes" painter never
mixes Vishnu into his paintings, because even the ordinary man has some
respect for Vishnu! Why does not the Sridhara/ Narayana/ BV and BP Puri/
Tripurari/ Gaura Govinda team not just admit, these SDG type people were
never made "gurus" and they made a huge mistake working with these
deviants? thanks pd
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1) The story of Luv and Kush (the sons of Rama) seems to have some odd
parallels to ISKCON. First of all, there was a huge battle between Rama and
Ravana, the demon who had kid napped Sita (the wife of Rama). After Rama
had defeated Ravana He brought back Sita to Ayodhya. Then, some of the
ignorant city folks began to criticize Rama for bringing His wife back to
His palace, after she had been in the association of a demon. These
ignorant folks began to spread rumors that Rama was not an effective King
because He had broken the Vedic rules, i.e. once your wife has been
kidnapped by a demon, then she is to be rejected after that. So Rama became
aware of the foolish rumor mongering by the city folk, criticizing Him, and
it was decided that Sita should be banished to the forest.
Of course Ravana had been cursed that if he would try to actually force
himself upon a woman, he would die instantly, so he could not do such a
thing. Anyway Sita went to live in the forest, however she was living in
the hermitage of Valmiki, the greatest sage of the time and the author of
the Ramayana. There she had two children, who were the sons of Rama (Luv
and Kush). These boys were trained up in the art of fighting and they
became very expert at fighting with divine astras and mantra arms -- even
at a young age. The boys were not told that their father was Lord Rama.
Meanwhile Sita had become engaged in a severe penance to get back Rama
under the guidance of Valmiki.
Then Rama decided to send out a "challenge horse" to see if any of the
princes and kings in the land would challenge His rule. The horse went all
over India with a sign on its head, "Anyone who captures or takes this
horse will be challenging Rama, the King of the land." And all of the kings
and princes submitted to the horse, some were pious and others were simply
afraid of the powers of Rama. Then the horse somehow wandered into the
hermitage of Valmiki and the two boys, Luv and Kush said, "This horse
means: a challenge to fight, and since we are kshatriyas, we cannot refuse
a challenge to battle." So the boys kept the horse without the knowledge of
Sita or Valmiki.
Then all of Rama's top generals came to fight with the two boys and they
were all defeated one after another, including Rama's own family members.
Hanuman knew the boys were Rama's so he refused to fight with them, rather
he was extremely joyous to see the boys fighting so valiantly. It is said
that Hanuman was able to know who the boys were because of his humility and
lack of personal aggrandizement. Valmiki meanwhile said that many "big
important men" will lose their big egos due to these boys, in other words
many soldiers will come forward to fight because they think these boys are
insignificant. Thus by challenging these boys -- many were killed or
humiliated.
And the boys even reminded the soldiers that there is a lesson to be
learned, that if anyone is overcome by ego and thinks he is the best, then
his downfall is imminent. Luv and Kush knew the art of weapons that put the
opponent into a sleeping spell for three weeks, and they used that weapon
on the members of Rama's family so their lives were spared. Then Lord Rama
Himself came, and He said He could not fight these boys, and the boys said
they could not fight with Him. Valmiki intervened at that time and he
subdued all of them.
Then the boys went back and told Mother Sita that they had been fighting
with all of the important soldiers of Rama's army and she fainted in shock
and grief. And so she finally told the boys that Rama is their father and
the boys were then also shocked and they cried in grief. Valmiki told the
boys that the reason all of this happened was because of a few envious
folks in Ayodhya who had stirred up all this resentment against Sita. And
so an interesting discussion ensued, was Rama to blame for banishing Sita
or were the envious citizens? And Valmiki said that that is is the citizens
who are to blame, since it is the duty of the king (or God?) to satisfy the
wishes of the citizens.
Valmiki then told the boys it was now their duty to go to Ayodhya and
inform these ignorant town folk that their foolish rumors had caused so
much pain and so many problems for Sita, Rama and the more innocent
citizens of Ayodhya who never wanted Sita banished. And now there were also
so many dead soldiers which resulted from their ignorant chitter-chatter.
And so the boys, Luv and Kush, went to Ayodhya and they began to sing songs
about the glories of Sita, and they recounted to the people how their
ignorant rumors had created so much havoc, including a big battle where
many soldiers died and the city's most important people (or even Rama's
boys) might have been killed, and that Mother Sita said she would then have
had to take her own life if any of that had occured, so she might also have
departed. All this because of -- a few fools -- creating rumors!
Needless to say, most of the townsfolk then woke up and they were mortified
to realize the troubles and severe offenses they had caused to all these
great souls. And many of the people prayed to be forgiven for their
offenses to Mother Sita. And so gradually the mass of people went to Rama's
palace and they begged Him to hunt for Sita and bring Her back to Ayodyhya.
At the same time many of the city's people began to realize that the entire
city has been like a dead morgue due to the absence of Sita, and that their
desire to rid the city of this divine lady had placed a pall of melancholy
over the whole place. In sum, no one was happy in that city after Sita was
banished. Indeed everyone was depressed due to their offense of removing
Sita. Some said, "I knew all along that this was a severe offense to Rama
and Sita, but I did not speak up because everyone else was going along with
it." This seems to be what has occured in ISKCON as well.
And so the two boys came to the palace and they started to hold public
meetings to narrate the pastimes of Rama for the citizens, in order to
relieve the grief that had fell upon the city. Now, how does this relate to
Srila Prabhupada and his ISKCON mission? Well, some of us would say that
Srila Prabhupada was forcibly removed (exiled into the forest?) from ISKCON
by being killed with poison. Certainly the leaders commonly preach that he
is now dead and gone and they are his "living replacements." So at least he
is being removed by their preaching. Did we forget to mention that almost
all of his followers were similarly banned, banished and cast out of ISKCON
(exiled to the forest)?
Has it not become clear that there is a pall of dread over the whole ISKCON
society as a result of banishing Srila Prabhupada, or at least by banishing
his worship as "the ritvik deviation"? Has it not become clear that many of
the citizens of ISKCON are dying at an untimely early age, due to
mortification, again which is due to the banishment of Srila Prabhupada and
/ or his followers? Has it not become clear that the children of ISKCON
have suffered so badly due to all this -- that a flooded Mississipi river
full of tears would not begin to due justice to their pain and grief? And
all this because, a few fools started some bogus rumors -- that "We all
have to banish Srila Prabhupada now, because eleven of us are are his
appointed guru successors, his displacements / replacements," and of course
almost all the people "knew it was wrong but went along with it," just like
the citizens of Ayodhya knew it was wrong and they went along with it?
Hasn't ISKCON devolved into the same graveyard atmosphere due to all this,
just like Ayodhya had a pall of grief due to their casting out Sita? PADA
therefore says, this is the lesson we should learn from all this. Now it is
also interesting that the people had to demand to bring back Sita, "Man
proposes and God disposes." So we, the people of ISKCON, have to demand
that Srila Prabhupada be placed back in his role as the founder and current
acharya for ISKCON, not his so many whacky if not pornographic writer
imitations. Notice! The devotees of ISKCON who have been "Waiting for God
to solve all this" are like the citizens of Ayodhya who sat back and did
nothing to bring back Sita. Valmiki said these people were committing a
grevious aparadha by their not working to bring back Sita.
PADA hereby heartily thanks Bhakta Alex prabhu for his writing the expert
piece (see below) about how many of the people in ISKCON are suffering, are
sad and melancholy, if they are not always getting sick and dying due to
their offense of being (ommission or commission) part of the exiling of
Srila Prabhupada. And as such there is a pall of grief afflicting all the
citizens of ISKCON due to their offense of exiling a great soul, or going
along with the exiling, just as the citizens of Ayodhya suffered due to
their direct or de facto participation in the exile of Sita. Nice work Alex
prabhu! You hit the ball out of the park! thanks pd
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2) Srila Prabhupada's Disappearance Pastime BY: BHAKTA ALEX An exchange
with Dhira Govinda prabhu.
Dhira Govinda dasa: With regard to Srila Prabhupada's disappearance, the
main thing I've written is an excerpt from a letter I wrote to Praghos
Prabhu dated May 14, 2004. Alex: Thanks for your reply. I've read the
excerpt from the letter to Praghos Prabhu. In my mind the topic is still a
constellation of thoughts, questions, extrapolations, possibilities. It
seems to me like the ISKCON organization is "shooting blanks", in the sense
that activity is taking place, but it doesn't seem to be having the
spiritual effect that it should on the members of the organization, or on
society at large. The ISKCON organization feels to me as something culty,
self-deceiving, impotent, self-congratulating, and frankly, ridiculous. I
feel attracted to the philosophy or Krsna Consciousness and repelled by the
organization, and some of the people who I've met there.
I stated in a previous correspondence that if Srila Prabhupada had in fact
been murdered by poison, this might be one reason for the ISKCON
organization's seeming impotence. We hear about the negative effects of
making offenses to devotees, and to the spiritual master. Srila Prabhupada
is a spiritual master and a devotee. If Srila Prabhupada was in fact
murdered, then that's an offense against him. It makes sense that such an
offense could negatively affect the spiritual lives of people involved.
Being "involved in that offense" is to me something broad. First of all,
there are the people directly involved.
If Srila Prabhupada was indeed murdered by poison, to me the above category
of persons could include those people who had administered the poison, and
those people who knew about the administration of poison, either before or
after administration, and chose not to intervene. In my mind they are
participating in an offense. There could also be a wider circle of people
also participating in to some degree.
There was an investigation some years ago into all of this. People involved
in the investigation could also be participating in the offense to the
degree to which they weren't interested in finding out the truth about what
happened. This could include people involved in "cover-up" type activities,
those involved in self-deception about the topic, those involved in
diverting people's attention away from the topic, and those who choose not
to speak out.
There could be a wider circle that would include those supporting or
facilitating the activities of the people in the above two groups. Here I
also think about myself. I can see how I engaged in self-deception about
the topic of Srila Prabhupada's disappearance, based on the information
that I came in contact with-at least in the sense that I tended not to
follow up on my curiosity about the topic. I tended to let Ravindra Svarupa
Prabhu do my thinking for me on that topic. I assumed that he was smart and
that he understood all of this stuff better than I did, that he had more
experience with the ISKCON institution, and was better educated.
There was a period of time where I gave Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu small
monthly donations. So while he was writing and speaking about the topic of
Srila Prabhupada's disappearance, I was giving him money. Though my
contributions were small, I was contributing nonetheless to the financing
of his activities. Other people also contributed to the financing of
Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu's activities. Others financed people who were
connected to these events in other ways. For example, some people
financially supported persons who are considered suspects in the possible
murder of Srila Prabhupada. All of this could be seen as participating in
an aparadha. This could reasonably be expected to affect one's spiritual
life. Also there are verbal forms of support. For example, praising persons
engaged in "cover-up" type activities, and promoting such persons to
others, is a form of verbal support that may I implicate people, myself
included, in the offense connected with the alleged poisoning of Srila
Prabhupada.
I mentioned in some of our first email exchanges on these topics that I
sought to understand my own problems with sadhana that seemed to increase
as I got more deeply involved in the ISKCON institution. One way that I
made sense of these was to see them as results of offenses that I was
choosing to participate in. I'm specifically referring to offenses against
Srila Prabhupada. This kind of dynamic could affect, or poison, an
organization and could in turn affect those who participate in it, and who
encourage others to participate in it.
The following quote is from a lecture by Srila Prabhupada on
Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.28, in Mayapur, on March 6th, 1976: Guru is
described, yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah: "By the mercy of guru one can
achieve the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Yasya prasada.
Yasya aprasadat: "If guru is not pleased, then he has no place." Na gatih
kuto 'pi. saksad dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva
sadbhih kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya
Why the spiritual master position is so great? Because he is very, very
confidential servant of Krsna; therefore his position is so great. What
about killing the spiritual master? Surely this isn't respectful or
pleasing to the spiritual master, or pleasing to Krsna. If one achieves the
mercy of Krsna by pleasing the spiritual master, then what does one achieve
by killing the spiritual master, or covering-up for someone who killed the
spiritual master, or financing the person who is doing the covering up, or
praising the person who did the killing, or the person who is doing the
covering-up? It might make sense that participating in such activities
isn't pleasing to Krsna, and could negatively affect one's japa and
spiritual life, and could in turn affect the potency of ISKCON.
I also noticed that in your letter to Praghos Prabhu you use the expression
"disappearance pastime". This to me communicates that it isn't an ordinary
event where an ordinary man is being murdered by poison. It seems to
communicate that, like Prahlad Maharaja, this a person under the care and
protection of Krsna.
This disappearance pastime might also have lessons for us. For example, the
way in which Srila Prabhupada interacted with the individuals who may have
murdered him by poison could be instructive. If "yasya prasadad
bhagavat-prasadah" is essential for Krsna consciousness, then offensive
dynamics connected to the possible murder of Srila Prabhupada could have
numerous negative consequences, in forms such as difficulties with sadhana
and health.
I've always been very healthy and had a strong immune system, except during
my closer participation in ISKCON. During that time I had all kinds of
problems that doctors couldn't fix, were not sure what was causing them,
and which continued in chronic form for years. As I distanced myself from
ISKCON, they've pretty much faded. I'm also feeling a gradual healing of my
sadhana and a gradual return of the good feeling while chanting Hare Krsna
japa.
If ISKCON is indeed a sick organization, then Srila Prabhupada's
disappearance pastime, and the the manner in which many of his followers
acted in connection with this event, may be important factors that
contributed to the disease. I've noticed that a number of leaders in the
ISKCON organization have had troubles with chronic health and sadhana
problems. Perhaps, as I believe may be the case with me, they are
undergoing effects of participating in an offense against Srila Prabhupada.
I have expressed some of what is taking shape inside me. I am happy to
receive your feedback on any of it. Also, specifically, if Srila
Prabhupada's disappearance pastime is instructive, what lessons do you draw
from it?
Dhira Govinda dasa: In many respects I experience your letter as presenting
common sense that has become uncommon. I state this with respect to
foundational principles, such as the effects of committing an offense on
the magnitude of murdering a Vaisnava acarya of Srila Prabhupada's status.
You write, for example, somewhat rhetorically I believe, that killing the
spiritual master is certainly disrespectful and an offense. When discussing
this issue an opinion I commonly encounter is, "Well, anyhow, let's move
on. Whatever happened, happened." I find it tragicomic that there is a
dearth of recognition of what sort of effect such an action, killing Srila
Prabhupada, would have on the organization and those involved in it, and
the range and scope of consequences it would have on "moving on."
Your presentation invites us to examine this simple point. Of course we
don't want to wallow in the past. Denying, ignoring, distorting and
twisting the past, out of fear to recognize and acknowledge it, though, is
a recipe to invite the effects of past offenses to ravage the present and
future.
I especially appreciate the personal accountability in your letter, and the
distinctions you make between the organization and the philosophy,
principles and practices given to us by Srila Prabhupada. You honestly
explore how you are implicated. This is an admirable example, for each of
us to look unsentimentally at how we are implicated, and what it was about
us such that we became, albeit passively in some instances, complicit. I
find this to be a healthy, exemplary approach. Looking at ourselves, of
course, is not in place of squarely examining the extent of complicity of
others.
Yes, I use the term disappearance pastime. As you indicate, there are
lessons to be learned, on many levels I believe, by how Srila Prabhupada
responded to and interacted with those who may have killed him. Of course
when we use terms such as "killed him", we understand that it is not that
Srila Prabhupada or Krsna were out of control of the situation. Whatever
happened, they allowed it to happen. I am convinced that this episode,
pastime, could also be a doorway to an amazing revitalization of Srila
Prabhupada's movement. More specifically, the uncovering and revelation of
what actually happened, and how it happened, and how Srila Prabhupada
handled the situation, could be key to the Hare Krsna movement having the
effect it is supposed to have in the world, rather than "shooting blanks",
to use your terminology. Perhaps the lessons to be learned from this
pastime have hardly begun to unfold and become apparent.
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3) RE: Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami by Jagadbandhu dasa
JD: I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm not even a little bit
curious about what goes on in other people's bathrooms or bedrooms. In
fiction, or in movies. Unfortunately, I am a conditioned soul with more
than enough spiritually unhealthy pre-occupation with my own sensual
attachments. Additional external agitations are therefore completely
unnecessary, unsolicited and explicitly unwelcome. When I was first in LA
in the early 80's I was offered a job writing pornographic screenplays,
which I was unable to consider.
[PADA: Very nice point prabhu. The average devotee would not write
pornographic materials, even for money. At least theoretically if a devotee
became desperate for money he could write such things in order to survive,
as a job. We also know a few devotee ladies who worked as prostitutes, just
to make money and sometimes to feed their children (since current ISKCON
does not really welcome single ladies who have children). So in other words
if a devotee needs to "make ends meet," he might compromise to make money.
Yet in the case of Satsvarupa Dasa goswami (SDG), he is already being paid
a big sum of "maintainance funds" from ISKCON for his constant travel,
visiting doctors for his lifetime of "chronic headaches", psychic
consultations, medications, servants, vehicles, housing and of course --
there is no shortage of funds to print his bogus books. So there is no need
for him to write pornography, apart from the fact that he says he is "the
sum total of the demigods guru," who needs to set the highest ideal. As a
guru and as sannyasi, he should rather live under a tree than write
pornography for selling bogus books.
There is simply no urgent requirement for SDG to write such bogus
materials, he is simply doing that for "name and fame." Meanwhile, while
SDG is costing ISKCON hundreds of thousands for his ostentatious
maintenance and book printing, there is hardly any money left for the
molesting victims? In sum, there is only money for bogus projects in
ISKCON, not for the devotees of ISKCON (such as giving the poor women
prostitute devotees a space within ISKCON -- so they could quit their job),
or for the victims of ISKCON etc.]
** JD: And now this, a reputed "renounced monk" writing pornographic
"spiritual" novels to allegedly address previously neglected "devotee"
intimacy issues. And then have the gall to dedicate such an atrocity to his
spiritual master. Wow. Just when you thought you'd seen everything. What
next? Tantric yoga classes in the temple room? Now I'm almost afraid to
open my eyes. May we remember how Sri Guru ridiculed the very idea of any
form of sex "education." With generous disposition, our disbelief over the
publication of such an abomination by one who was well-known to be very
dear to Sri Guru, must change to one of dismay and grief over a soul
apparently completely losing their mind in a miasma of "spiritual"
Alzheimers.
Rather than join in with the jeering section, we must express great sadness
over the present condition and position of a soul whom I know to have at
one point been very sincere and clear in his exclusive dedication to Srila
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Alas!
Our own memory of Sripad Satsvarup Maharaj will always be of a different
nature than the very bad news sorrowfully expressed in yesterday's Sun.
I remember as a new bhakta in the Chicago temple in 1976 that the visiting
GBC man, Satsvarup Goswami, was "caught" cleaning the stool room floor in
the middle of the night. He explained that if he tried to do it any other
time, he would have been prevented. I was greatly impressed with his
humility and dedication in serving the devotees. May Sri Guru smile upon
this soul, that he might again return to such humble clarity and
unencumbered dedication to espousing the Real Krishna Consciousness he
learned from his beloved guru, Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
With all our hearts we must give this soul all of our best wishes for a
speedy and full recovery, so he may not simply become yet another casualty
in the totalitarian war against illusion.
Humbly, the filthy mleccha known as Jagabandhu Dasa
[PADA: Well yes, it is sad that these people have fallen. This is why there
is the story of "the yogi and the mouse." The mouse begs the yogi to become
a tiger, and once he is a tiger he decides he wants to eat the yogi. So the
yogi says, punar muskia bhava, "again become a mouse." Thanks pd]
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Srimad Bhagavatam: The Real Solution! BY: BHAGAVAT DAS (ACBSP)
[PADA: thanks Bhagavat das. Yes, you are correct, for Narayana Maharaja to
be giving guys like Satvarupa "gopi rasika classes" and not the Srimad
Bhagavatam is very foolish indeed. Worse, while all the children were
getting molested Narayana Maharaja was reading "the pastimes of the gopis"
to the leaders of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual
pedophiles regime. Why is NM not reading the Bhagavatam to these people as
the highest thing, instead he is tossing them "the gopis" and admixing them
into NM's pedophile pooja program, and why is NM not informing these
deviants that by definition of the Bhagavatam, they are not gurus? Instead
Narayana Maharaja says that anyone who does not worship his pedophile pooja
process are "poison." Where in shastra does it say that those of us who
worship a pure devotee are poison because we do not worship Narayana
Maharaja's "anus rupturing worship"? What is wrong with this man? Why does
not Narayana Maharaja and his followers read that Srimad Bhagatam and read
that the worship of homosexual pedophiles is -- forbidden? When is NM, and
his idiotic groupies like Satsvarupa, going to start to read the shastra?
Thanks pd]
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5) Ritvik, the Sanskrit Term BY: SATYAHIT DAS
Regarding the article by Rocana prabhu, "Resorting To The Ritvik Hammer",
there is actually no proper way that anyone may utilize the word 'ritvik'
in a derogatory or stigmatizing manner. No way. This term ritvik is a
Sanskrit word. It is Veda, eternal in meaning, and has absolutely no
derogatory sense to it whatsoever. Ritvik = "priests recommended by the
spiritual master". For whatever reason that bona fide spiritual master has
in mind. One cannot attack the term "ritvik" anymore than one may attack
the term "samsara", meaning the repetition or cycle of birth and death by
the spirit soul. Neither can one place a derogatory stigmatization upon
this or any other Sanskrit Vedic term.
The word has it's own definition and place in the reality of the eternal
Vedic culture. Using this term to call others by a "bad name", i.e., to
stigmatize them, is an improper use of the English, and in this case the
Sanskrit, language. The term "ritvik" does not possess any negative
connotations. None.
One may simply argue in reference to particular uses, cases, and/or
historic situations using this term, and the historical outcomes thereof.
One may as well also use the term "Vaisnava" in a derogatory sense, which
some probably do or will. It does not have a derogatory sense. Using this
term "ritvik" in a derogatory sense is a lazy man's way of attempting, in
this case, to put another down. The word "fallacy" comes to mind because
stigmatizing others using this term does not really explain anything. In
this case, most devotees are conversant with this issue within their own
understandings, political, social, and or other motivated or unmotivated
positions. In this case, at the outset of Ravindra Svarupa's article,
"Bylaws and Centralization - The Facts", wherein Rocana prabhu said the web
site Sampradaya Sun is attacked for being Ritvik inclined, which Rocana
prabhu denies in any case.
I have been asked by the North American GBC to defeat "the alarmist",
Vyapaka prabhu and his articles refuting centralization, says Ravindra
Svarupa prabhu, and set matters straight. This, then, is left for the
reader to decide if any motivating factors are there, and we are awaiting
Vyapaka prabhu's reply to being defeated.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
All Glories to Lord Chaitanya's Eternal Sankirtan Movement
and All Glories to all pure devotee's of the Lord ...
Satyahit das
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