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* Hrdayananda says that they kicked all the impure people out,
1) Hare Krishna everyone! (Prabhupadanuga festival)
2) GBC Silent on Satsvarupa's Sex Novel BY: KUNTIBHOJA DASA
3) SURESH DASA:
4) Russia Property Take-over
6) Here is Umapati's details for the person who asked:
7) Please Stop Defaming Srila Prabhupada BY: PAYONIDHI DASA
8) A Cry from the Heart! A Willing Godbrother’s Thoughts BY: ANANDA SVARUPA
DASA (ACBSP)
9) Stopping the "Hate Literatures" of the Ritviks BY: SUNANDA DASA Response
to Payonidhi dasa.
10) Ravindra Svarupa's Questionable Conclusions BY: GADADHARA DASA
11) Resorting to the Rtvik Hammer BY: ROCANA DASA
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* Hrdayananda says that they kicked all the impure people out, so now they
have only the pure people left. Ummm, the child molesters, the child
beaters, the founder fathers of the molesting empire, crooks just out of
jail for murder, and the likes of Bhavananda, and his team of bucket boys
like Nitai Chanda, Satadhanya; and then we have Dhanurdara (child
beater-pada); Gunagrahi (porno movie pada); Mott street boy Umapati;
Kirtanananda lovers like Devamrta; Satsvarupa (porno writer-pada);
Kavichandra (panties-pada) etc. These are "the pure"? Let us not forget
that Hrdayananda himself has put the names of "Bhavananda Vishnupada" and
Kirtanananda Bhaktipada" into his "Srimad Bhagwatam" --- listing child
molesters as his messiahs (and contaminating the scriptures). No wonder
Jayadvaita loves the writings of his great pedo-pada pal. They have made
child molesters into "Krishna's successors." Why do they hate Krishna?
And now Hrdayananda has a leaflet "Howard Resnick, Sanskrit Scholar." And
Hrdayananda himself is often called "vagina-pada" in Los Angeles because he
is always talking to women (forbidden for sannyasa)? Let's not forget that
in 1986 Hrdayananda stood up to defend keeping Bhavananda's "child molester
webs and nests" empire going, so that another round of thousands of kids
could be molested. No wonder then that Brahmatirtha dasa (Bob Cohen of
Alachua) licks Hrdayananda's booties and picks up Howard Resnick's used
kleenex's as "maha." They think the child molester guru's regime members
are -- "the pure." Yuk! Of course, those of us who do not worship child
molester guru regimes, we are the "impure"? Figures! This is the result of
"the great scholars" like Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari/ Gaura Govinda/ BV
and BP Puri et al. backing this bogus guru regime, "they painted lipstick
on a pig" said Sulochana dasa. Thanks pd
* Dear PADA, Can you tell us the karmi names of Rocana and Kundali? (PADA:
Can someone send us)?
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1) Hare Krishna everyone!
The Prabhupadanugas Contact List is growing but I know there are more of us
out there. So if anyone knows of others that have not been placed on the
list please let me know and I will add them immediately.
There will be a Prabhupadanugas Festival in Washington State (Damaghosa
prabhu is hosting this one) this summer for Janmastami and Prabhupada's
appearance day. Go to Prabhupadanugas Press for the details. It would be
beneficial if there were other such festivals - even if they are just small
get togethers - in other parts of the world since many will not be able to
travel to Washington State for this one.
I will be working with some devotees in an attempt to have a small one day
event in Northern Nevada. The devotees will be coming thru here to set up a
Krishna Camp at the Burning Man festival (this is their second year there).
So far, that is basically, all I have - the possibility of the gathering. I
will keep all up on the plans so that if anyone is near here they will be
able to attend. Any ideas anyone? yhs Rukmini-Devi dasi
www.prabhupadanugaspress.com
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2) GBC Silent on Satsvarupa's Sex Novel BY: KUNTIBHOJA DASA
Gita Nagari Press -- The following is an excerpt from Satsvarupa das
Goswami's latest novel, "Sanatorium" which is "hot off the press" according
to his website. The book is published by Gita Nagari Press, and the
following excerpt comes from pages 360, 361 and 420 (all are written by
Satsvarupa). Satsvarupa is still pretending to be a sannyasi, and the GBC
also promotes him as such. Why doesn't the GBC comment on this sannyasi's
latest sex novel? Satsvarupa has pilfered millions of dollars of Srila
Prabhupada's money for his own personal lifestyle of sense gratification,
and he continues to do this even today.
The reason ISKCON is struggling throughout the world is because these false
leaders are stealing all of ISKCON's money and spending it on their
personal sense enjoyment. It is time for all this nonsense to stop, but
that won't happen until all ISKCON devotees throw out these rascals. Now
please read the following excerpts from the latest novel written by
Satsvarupa das Goswami, current ISKCON Guru and Sannyasi:
"Bold as she was, she placed his hands on her breasts. She then kissed him
and placed her tongue in his mouth. His tongue also entered hers. She
embraced him and by now he had a half erection ... Braja dasa sat down and
calmed his genitals......... He didn't want to stick his genital into some
well formed beauty star. He wanted Sandy. And he had heard from a
Godbrother who worked as a physical therapist that a man could even have
sexual intercourse with a paraplegic… It's not just a sticking in of a
penis into a vagina. It's the being together in the touching and the
embracing that lead up to the mechanics and the orgasm..."
In the book's acknowledgements section, Satsvarupa has written: "Most of
all I acknowledge my spiritual master, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta
Swami Prabhupada… I pray that Sanatorium pleases him and that he blesses it
to be widely read around the globe."
I will be the first to say Srila Prabhupada is not pleased with this
useless book and he is not pleased that ISKCON leaders have become so
fallen and corrupted by Kali. Please do not follow such rascals any longer.
How long will you remain blind, following these people and spoiling Srila
Prabhupada's movement?
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* GURUVANI WRITES: What the heck is "half an erection"? It's real sad to
see those nice devotees getting abused by some nutjob like Satsvarupa.
* SEX LITERATURE by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
June 23, 1975, Los Angeles: The same desire, same propensity, can be
utilized for serving Krsna. Just like we are writing books, keeping night,
whole night. So for an old man like me, it is tedious. But we are doing for
Krsna. So similarly, another author may be writing whole night for some sex
literature. So the labor for producing a sex literature and the labor for
producing a Bhagavata is the same. It may be same ambition that "Let me
become a big author. My name will be very popular." But one thing is being
done for Krsna; one thing is being done for sense gratification. So that
propensity of becoming a reputed author or the labor, this, same, but it is
being utilized for different purposes.
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[PADA: Thanks Kuntibhoja dasa. Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami (SDG) has been the
longest running bogus GBC writer / apologist / spin-meister in their
history. First of all SDG wrote their 1978 "GBC report" that the eleven
"gurus" had "assumed the position of rati keli siddha" (congugal love of
God). Ummm, we "assume" that we are dancing with the gopis and it becomes
so? Then in 1980 SDG wrote "The Mahajanas Have Difficulties" ... trying in
a perverse way to "explain away" his bogus guru's sense gratification
problems as something experienced by ACTUAL pure devotees. Later in 1980
SDG said that Sridhara Maharaja is "the senior-most vaishnava on the planet
who has just saved ISKCON, by keeping Tamal and Hansadutta from being
kicked out of their guru posts." Like, we need guys being arrested with
machine guns in their car as our messiahs?
Yet in 1982 SDG completely reversed himself and he was saying that
"Sridhara is the biggest enemy of ISKCON, he is trying to take control of
the movement, and anyone who sets foot on his property is banned (and
beaten?) from ISKCON." And some devotees were attacked with screw drivers
in Australia thanks to this fine move. So if one can get people stabbed in
the head with screw drivers, that makes one a saint in the corrupt ISKCON.
And after SDG's wife Jadurani (Judy Koslofsky) was beaten nearly to death
by Kirtanananda's goons, and Kirtanananda was molesting boys, then SDG said
that Kirtanananda is "as pure as Jesus, Haridas and Prahlad." SDG then
announced he was "the guru of headaches and pills." Then SDG's servant told
PADA that "SDG is taking all kinds of psychotropic medications." Then SDG
wrote "A Life Of Prayer" where he says he is being inspired to pray by
Mother Mary, while he is banging his head on the floor begging for
forgiveness (for all his other crack pot writings). Of course SDG wrote the
bogus "Lilamrta" which basically says that Srila Prabhupada is "attached to
family, bewildered, frightened" and so on. Then SDG wrote that those of us
who opposed his pedophile worship process are "poison pens" and this lead
to people getting murdered, and thousands of kids getting molested.
SDG is world wide famous for ignoring the ISKCON-wide problems which he
himself created with his policy, problems such as: devotee abuse, cow
abuse, child abuse, women abuse, etc. saying "these devotees are not my
problem." And in fact SDG dumped a huge pile of letters of written
complaints into the trash in Vrndavana, and needless to say most of those
devotees never got any help at all from ISKCON. Of course SDG gets a salary
from ISKCON - for his "job" which is to fix exactly these problems, but he
never does? Shastra says that when a leader collects a salary from the
citizens and then does not help his citizens, this is the most sinful act,
and such a miscreant will certainly be punished in the lowest regions by
Yamaraja. And SDG has wrote many other foolish things all along.
Then SDG was caught in some kind of compromised sexual position with his
"therapist" Pranada dasi, at least so said some reports. A number of people
applauded this right away saying, "See, at least he is not gay"! And then
again some argued, "SDG has no sex desire because he is too stoned on drugs
to get an erection." This is nice, get stoned on drugs and one will not BE
ABLE to have sex, this sounds very yogi-like! In short, the bogus GBC has
all along promoted people like SDG as their "pure devotee gurus" who are
(according to Jayadvaita) often "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and
children." So it has been just a question of time before some of them began
writing pornographic novels.
Now the other odd thing is that despite Satsvarupa's writing so many whacky
things; and his making so many whacky paintings of weird looking devotees
with huge red tilak and dogs barking around them etc.; and having his sex
problem with his therapist; and his other problems with his pills; and his
other problems with mis-managing so that most the kids got molested; and
his sex literature, never mind that -- his literatures are still being sold
all over the place in ISKCON and he is considered as their topmost writer,
at least in most of ISKCON even now.
And recently SDG was warmly welcomed by BV Tripurari swami of Philo
California, -- birds of a feather. In other words, the more a person
behaves like Rasputin, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Jim Bakker
-- and those of that ilk, the more one is elevated to the top of the bogus
GBC's totem pole as their highest spiritual authority / writer. Of course
we cannot blame merely the bogus GBC gurus, because folks like Narayana
Maharaja were pumping up the bogus gurus will all kinds of "rasika" "gopi
lila" (congugal love of God) discussions, so that SDG ended up writing
about his divine constipation problem. "Oh me oh my, I cannot pass stools!
This is important data for the world to know about." And of course SDG's
wonderful divine enemas is another important topic at the GBC level, and
then: SDG mentions the divine colors of the saris of the gopis, all of this
together in one book.
This irritated BV Puri so much so that he yelled at Narayana Maharaja and
said, "You are to blame for all this sahajiya cheating going on in ISKCON."
Yes, writing about "my passing stools" and "the gopis" in the same breath,
this is what the bogus GBC loves to read all day long. Then again we heard
that SDG is also saying and writing things like "F**k this" and F**k that,"
as other mad cult leader's meltdown symptoms have been going on here. He
also said that some of his disciples are nice and some of them he just
cannot stand having around. Very rasika! Anyway, SDG is the main "position
paper" writer of the bogus GBC gurus since 1978. We are in some way glad
that SDG is finally painting a cover for his book, a guy (he says it is a
bhakta?) grabbing some woman's boobies, juxtaposed over a picture of
Vaikuntha and Lord VISHNU! Unfortunately, this is what it sometimes takes
to convince his bone head follower sector that something is amiss! "Your
guru has lost his mind prabhu, again, but this time its really for real, --
as you can see. Now he is mixing boob grabbing and -- Vishnu, don't you see
how BAD this is"!
At least now we can readily say, "SDG and all the people who have been
promoting his odious literatures since 1978 are ALL going to the lowest
regions of the jagat," and not hardly anyone argues with us these days. In
sum, it has become clear and transparent that these guys are all offensive
frauds. All of this is a misrepresentation of the position of guru, "rasika
servant of God" and so on. Normally a guru is said to be "entering samadhi"
in his elderly age, whereas with these hokey GBC gurus they are often found
to be having illicit sex, sometimes with other people's wives, and / or
they are often taking drugs and other intoxicants, and who knows what else
-- as they get older! No doubt we will start reading about "the glories of
the guru taking Viagra" really soon!
And after their lusty gurus are dead their fried cracasses are sent to the
holy dham for burial, which is offense upon offense. Kavichandra has his
head in the women's panty drawer, Gunagrahi swami had porno movies in his
motorhome, Prithu was alleged to have been caught masturbating, and the
list is endless here, and all of these actions are the divine pastimes of
"Krishna's pure succession of gurus"? No, this is kicking Krishna in the
head, except that Krishna can turn one into a microbe at the bottom of the
cesspool in short order, so kicking Him is not a very useful activity. Oh
oh, if you kick on Krishna, you lose, big time!
Counterproductive to say the least! That means: these idiots do not EVEN
beleive in any God ... that is quite apparent. They have a mundane
business, "the guru business" ... at best. Problem is: the Isopanisad says
that these false gurus are "destined for the lowest regions of the
universe," so it is not a very good money making business after all. The
Isopanisad even says that for these false gurus, better they never even
heard ot the Vedas, because their punishment will be most severe, more than
the materialist's. One can just imagine, after living like a fat sloppy hog
with silk underwear and 400 rupee fragrant massage oils, they will suddenly
be bitten to pieces by Yama's dogs and drawn and quartered in various bad
situations. And they will not be ready for any of that since they are so
accustomed to their cushy, opulent, four star hotel lifestyle. To his
credit, Narayana Maharaja says that Yamaraja did not even have a good
enough hell for these bogus ISKCON GBC gurus to go to, so Yamaraja had to
make an especially heavily suffering place for these bogus ISKCON gurus.
PADA says this, for once at least, Narayana Maharaja ki-jaya! Problem is
for Narayana Maharaja: that he was their biggest cheerleader. So lest we
forget, the bogus gurus go down the tubes fer sure, but so do their "rasika
advisor" cheerleaders. In short, the bogus GBC supports porno-pada, what
else is new? The good news is that now we can really give a good argument
against their "resident writer" and the whole bunch of them for creating
this bogus writer problem in the first place. Thanks pd
* GITA NAGARI PRESS: "This is a tour through the maze of illness,
treatment, recovery, and spiritual fulfillment that can only be described
as a journey of the soul through hell, winding its way back to Grace."
[PADA: Journey to hell, need we say more?]
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3) SURESH DASA: At the same time, the ISKCON leadership of today has to
recognize that many devotees have been injured physically and emotionally
by their past experiences with ISKCON. What are you going to do about it?
If you think "nothing" is the right answer, then unfortunately you can look
forward to greater and greater confrontation in the future, by newer and
newer parties of disgruntled and wounded devotees, such as the IRM.
[PADA: Thanks Suresh prabhu. Right, there is a growing number of people who
do not accept the bogus GBC -- what to speak of those who are victims (or
they know those who are victims) of contrived excommunication, beatings,
child abuse or murder etc. Unless these "gurus / messiah/ leaders" (?)
start to address these grievances, then more and more people will be forced
to protest in a more public way -- as PADA has done all along. The "public
protest" is growing in many respects, especially on the internet, as more
"doubters" are writing their realizations -- and opposition. They are
realizing that PADA's technique, written opposition, was the right
technique all along. The bottom line is that the wave of opposition is
increasing and the adherents to these bogus gurus is decreasing, indeed
even the ranks of bogus gurus is decreasing according to their own
documents. So you are correct Suresh, either create a better forum to
discuss these issue or else face more, and more, and more, and more! public
expose. That means that PADA was correct all along, the best way to address
this is public expose. Goody! thanks pd]
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4) Russia Property Take-over
I am writing to you regarding Pratibhavati Das, a disciple of Indradyumna
Swami. Several years ago, my mother, Svetlana Aguirzhanokova, has helped
him achieve residency in Russia, by registering him at her place of
residence in Moscow. It was agreed that he will re-register himself at a
different place after sometime. Now he is trying to drive my mother out of
her apartment, trying to take over the property that doesn't belong to him,
and threatening her life. He has broken the door into her apartment and
moved in without her or my permission, as I am, along with my children, the
owners of this property. My mother has done everything in the past 15 years
to help ISKCON in Moscow, even testified in court in the case of Dvorkin
vs. ISKCON, where forceful taking of property was one of the bulletins. And
now this so-called devotee is trying to get his dirty hands on something
that she worked for her entire life. Where is the justice in that?
He is trying to take what does not belong to him. This isn't the first time
he has tried to do something illegal. He registered his son onto my
mother's property without her knowledge, he would take things from her and
give it to his Guru, he would not pay people money but donate big sums of
money to his Guru, and then boast that he gives so much money to his Guru
and Guru loves him so much for that. Apparently, the loving relationship of
Disciple and Guru can be bought with dollars and rubles. Prove me wrong! I
want someone who reads this letter to please bring it to the attention of
His Holiness Indradyumna Swami. I am pretty sure though, that Pratibhavati
will not respond to reason from anyone, because he has been blinded by
greed, but for the sake of his soul maybe his Guru will be able to get
through. My mother is living in fear of her life, hearing stories of people
in similar situation disappearing without a trace, just because they tried
to help out-of-state "hare krishnas". Where are these people now and how
many more should suffer? Please carry this word to his Guru, I hope at
least he will be able to put this man in control. This is exactly what the
Russian Orthodox Church was making its case on. Please prove them wrong!
[PADA: Ouch!]
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6) Here is Umapati's details for the person who asked: W. Sheffey/ Email
umapati@earthlink.net/ Phone +86 13701111281, Fax: +61 393260433/ Address
524 W. 122 St, Apt 6d New York, NY 10027 US
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7) Please Stop Defaming Srila Prabhupada BY: PAYONIDHI DASA
Yesterday, on May 19th, ISKCON Baltimore put on a beautiful Ratha Yatra
festival. Everything was wonderful, except there was one group of Ritviks
that was distributing their "hate" literature. We have looked through the
content before and basically it warns devotees and people in general to not
have anything to do with ISKCON, because of Bhavananda, Harikesa,
Ramesvara, Jayatirtha, Kirtanananda and others that ever disgraced ISKCON
in some way. But what these fellows don't realize is they are harming
themselves first of all, and defaming Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON.
Actually, devotees are adverse to faultfinding, as Sri Krsna states in the
Bhagavad Gita.
[PADA: Thanks Payonidhi dasa. First, you are contradicting yourself: (A) No
one should criticize the devotees, (B) Everyone should criticize the
devotees that Payonidhi dasa personally disagrees with. "No one should find
any fault," except Payonidhi, who is above his own rules, he is always
finding fault? Next, let us address the defamation of ISKCON. Had the
leaders of ISKCON (and Mr. Payonidhi) listened to "the ritviks" in 1978
when we began to address the problems of "the eleven gurus," then all of
the "defaming of ISKCON," which has been plastered all over the public
media, would not have occured in the first place. You are arguing with your
own shadow. We are the ones who said these false gurus must be halted -- or
-- the result will be -- for SURE and CERTAIN -- the defaming of ISKCON.
Now you are saying those who risked their lives trying to halt the defaming
of ISKCON, are the cause of the defaming? "The doctors who tried to save
the dying passengers ... caused the train wreck"? You make no sense!
You have also wrote letters critical of the ISKCON leaders who brought
Narayana Maharaja into ISKCON, which would include Tamal Krishna, Sivarama,
Ravindra Swarupa, Satsvarupa, Suhotra and many others. So now you are free
to criticize some of the "gurus" of ISKCON and no one else is? And what is
wrong with the people you criticize like Narayana Maharaja, Sridhara
Maharaja and others? They have a bogus guru siddhanta, they say "gurus fall
down and become debauchees." This idea is not approved of by Srila
Prabhupada. So you are saying that the "relativised acharya" siddhanta of
Narayana Maharaja and the Gaudiya Matha has to stay, but he needs to leave
personally? You are the only person who can write criticisms, but you are
not criticizing the bogus siddhanta that gurus are "engaged in illicit sex
with men, women and children" as is the official position of the bogus
GBC's spokesman? In any event we agree with you, we cannot allow the ideas
of Narayana Maharaja to be preached by the current ISKCON leaders.
And sorry, but all the people who are the founder creators of the
Bhavananda, Kirtanananda, Ramesvara et al. "guru imbroglio" in the first
place are still in charge of ISKCON, namely folks like Hrdayananda,
Jayapataka, Satsvarupa, and / or those who are "voted in as guru" by
Bhavananda's recoronators like Jayadvaita, Ravindra Swarupa, Trivrikrama
and so on. In other words, the people who created the whole guru mess are
still in charge of ISKCON. The founder fathers of the enforced cult
ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile gurus have -- not -- left
ISKCON? Rather they are still worshipped as gurus in ISKCON.
So the reformers, "ritviks" or whatever you want to call them -- are
correctly pointing out that the current leaders are the ones who have
created the guru imbroglio. And the current leaders acted as enablers,
protectors, cheerleaders, defenders, siddhanta backers, and in sum they
aided and abetted the molester guru regime. Now ISKCON tries to argue,
"Well sure, the driver of the bus was drunk when he hit the bus stop full
of children, but that happened last week, this is all in the past, so he
should still be allowed to drive the bus again." Maybe, not! And moreover
the current leaders still keep child abusers in posts of authority around
ISKCON. Yet to his credit Payonidhi dasa does write a good letter below
saying that the GBC's gurus are bogus since they went to the Gaudiya Matha.
Payonidhi, you are becomming a PADA-nik! Thanks pd]
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About Narayana Maharaja from Payonidhi das
Dear Prabhus and Maharajas, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories
to Srila Prabhupada!
On VNN there are some disciples defending Narayana Maharaja, and one of his
disciples calls Ravindra Svarupa a kanistha adhikari. Srila Prabhupada
certainly did have a loving relationship with both Sridhara Maharaja and
Narayana Maharaja. However, Srila Prabhupada would never have approved of
devotees leaving ISKCON and joining these persons. Srila Prabhupada kept
instructing disciples not to associate with the Gaudiya Matha and his many
letters are very clear on that.
"Regarding the Gaudiya Matha, our position has nothing to do with them.
They cannot do anything and if somebody does something they will be
envious. That is the nature of third class men. My Guru Maharaja once told
this story. . . .(November 18th 1970). And an even stronger letter on 21st
November, 1972, to Niranjana. Srila Prabhupada pointed out many times how
Sridhara Swami was one of the persons that disobeyed Srila Bhaktisiddhanta
Sarasvati Prabhupada's instructions, and the letter Srila Prabhupada wrote
Rupanuga on April 28th, 1974, leaves no doubts about his opinions.
The last lines are instructive: "We shall be very careful about them and
not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us
in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress.
So we must be very careful about them."
After Srila Prabhupada passed away, Srila Sridhara Maharaja reinitiated
some of Srila Prabhupada's disciples. Srila Prabhupada was very upset when
this was done in his presence by Bon Maharaja. Would he have been
displeased to see the same done by Sridhara Swami and Narayana Maharaja
later on?
Certainly!!!! One cannot reinitiate disciples of Srila Prabhupada and
expect Krsna to take this lightly. Srila Prabhupada requested that devotees
remain in ISKCON and cooperate to spread Krsna Consciousness. Now, if
someone did not do that he certainly committed the 3d offence to the holy
name: disobeying the instructions of the Guru. And the same is true for
former granddisciples of Srila Prabhupada, as he is the founder-acarya, and
to disobey this instruction of Srila Prabhupada is a great offence. But the
Kanistha adhikari believes that such instructions are not still relevant,
when they are for all times, especially we can see that these Swamis try to
become superior to Srila Prabhupada, though they are his juniors in all
respects.
This desire to be a big guru, and receive big worship is against Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada's last desires to establish a GBC
body. But there seems to be a desire to stop preaching, and join a temple
where you can eat and sleep and do nothing???? Your servant Payonidhi das
[PADA: Thanks Payonidhi, yes, Tamal, Hrdayananda, Sivarama, Suhotra,
Ravindra Swarupa and his pals like Trivrikrama and Satsvarupa, and all the
other Narayana Maharaja groupies, they are all bogus. Agreed. You are
talking like a PADA-nik now! Thanks pd]
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8) A Cry from the Heart! A Willing Godbrother’s Thoughts BY: ANANDA SVARUPA
DASA (ACBSP)
Just see the nonsense. The GBC's don’t welcome all of Srila Prabhupada’s
disciples as equals and don’t show a practical interest in meaningful
dialogue with them-dialogue meaning that they meet unconditionally with all
godbrothers and put everything they own on the table for preaching.
Everything means disciples, possessions, position, ambitions and laksmi
(including guru dakshina, travel money and so on). This would be the proof
that they have Srila Prabhupada’s wishes uppermost on their agendas.
Rather, today's situation is that they have in effect appropriated far more
than their share of Srila Prabhupada's legacy, and when the godbrothers are
forced to find a public forum to discuss their grievances (like the
Sampradaya Sun), then they are labeled as envious and as showing a bad
example to newcomers by their open discussions.
I recently visited some of our bigger temples in India and what I found is
disturbing. I started in Juhu, Mumbai, where the main focus is no longer
Srila Prabhupada. It is the local Zonal Guru. His chief concern is for his
disciples and how to increase them; all key positions are filled by his
yes-men; any resident godbrother is there by virtue of a comfortable
managerial post that guarantees his material needs which would be otherwise
very, very difficult to get in the ocean of competitive karmi life. Most of
these "ISKCON employed" godbrothers are motivated by money and control,
ensuring the puja pratishtha paid to them by naive newcomers. Prabhupada?
His rooms are closed for most of the day. Enough said!
Further south I came to Chennai. At this year’s Mayapur meetings the Local
GBC was rewarded with the current GBC chairmanship. However, as far as I
could see, the main contribution by this zone’s GBC team to the South India
Yatra is that under their incompetent watch a mega project was lost. We're
talking about Madhu Pandit's secession with the Bangalore Temple and Mysore
farm. Conservatively speaking, a trifling 20 million dollars worth!
Accountability, where art thou? I was personally responsible for developing
this zone as a sannyasi/Regional Secretary from 1980 to 1985, so I know
what I'm talking about. Srila Prabhupada consciousness is conspicuous by
its absence.
Consider this: The good ship ISKCON, with its crew and passengers, was
sailing quite safely under the expert captain Srila Prabhupada. No one can
argue with the fact that he knew how to avoid all dangers and resolve all
difficulties. Then the captain leaves and some of his senior officers take
over command. Unfortunately, even though given ample leeway by the crew,
they steer the ship into dangerous waters again and again, thus showing
clearly their incompetence and inexperience. The rest of the crew, their
godbrothers, naturally begin to question their captaincy, but any complaint
is dealt with by summarily forcing the complainant to walk the plank.
Inevitably 99% of the godbrothers are overboard.
Of course, not all were made to walk the plank; some jumped in desperation,
others out of sheer disgust and still others out of their own independent
madness. However, until this injustice is fully addressed by the GBC, it
must be clearly and loudly broadcast that the majority were directly or
indirectly forced. Now we have a situation where most original crew members
are at sea and struggling very, very hard to stay afloat in maya's surging
waves of shark infested waters. And what do the officers of the deck do?
They point to the floaters and tell the naive passengers and what’s left of
the crew, "Just see how those godbrothers are unable to stay afloat. They
are all in maya." This is the present situation. How more rascal than this
can it get?
Prema Vivatra says: "The spiritual master who claims to be a representative
of Lord Krsna, but does not understand the Lord's pure loving exchanges, is
not fit to be in that position. His show of devotion is deceptive. He is in
the clutches of maya and is, therefore, an instrument of maya." In our
case, understanding Krsna's loving exchanges means to first understand
Srila Prabhupada's loving exchanges. If Srila Prabhupada had remained
comfortably ensconced in Vrindavan we'd all be shark meat. No question. In
other words, he put his love for Krsna on the line by extending it to us,
his disciples foremostly. Any GBC, guru, sannyasi, Temple President, etc.,
who doesn’t clearly understand that and does not show it by his actions is
not fit to be in a leadership position in Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON. Why is
this so hard to understand?
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9) Stopping the "Hate Literatures" of the Ritviks BY: SUNANDA DASA Response
to Payonidhi dasa.
SD: Thank you for posting your article on Sampradaya Sun. I want to add a
few of my own personal comments, being the main organizer of the Rathayatra
festival in Baltimore, as well as narrate an intresting incident that
occured at the festival in ralation to the ritvik magazine distribution. As
you know, I am myself an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada since 1971.
The last five months I have worked extremely hard to organize and arrange
different facets of this festival for the pleasure of Srila Prabhupada and
Their Lordships Jagannatha, Baladeva and Lady Subhadra, while at the same
time handling various responsibilities at the Baltimore temple and working
full-time to maintain my family. Basically, myself and a few others gave
their blood, sweat and tears for this event. And this is the fifth time
around for us.
[PADA: That is nice prabhu, but who is the festival in honor of anyway? Is
the festival meant to honor Srila Prabhupada, or the false gurus of ISKCON?
In Baltimore ISKCON they worship "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of
homosexual pedophiles guru regime" as the current guru "acharyas" and not
Srila Prabhupada. Why have you not given your blood, sweat and tears to
remove these false gurus for the past 25 years, and to re-establish the
worship of Srila Prabhupada (as the ritviks are doing)? And why is it that
literature that promotes the worship of Srila Prabhupada is called "hate
literature" and the people who are distributing that literature need "four
bodyguards and a videocamera" because they will be assualted for saying
that we need to worship Srila Prabhupada? And why is it OK to distribute
Satsvarupa's pornographic materials as bona fide?]
SD: To start with, we mailed and distributed over 10,000 postcards and
flyers, contacted all forms of media with Press Releases, invited
dignitaries from various political offices, advertised in numerous forms of
media, planned an entertaining Krishna conscious entertainment program,
raised a significant amount of lakshmi to finance the event, printed a
Souvenir book to recognize our donors, obtained the numerous permits
required for such an event, etc., etc., etc..
[PADA: Right, and you have never distributed our literatures to the
devotees which says that homosexual pedophile guru lineages are wrong. So
you are avoiding the real issue, "who" is the current acharya of ISKCON?]
SD: The results are we distributed hundreds of Srila Prabhupada's books,
served over 2500 plates of Jagannatha prasadam, attracted many new people
to Krishna consciousness (some of whom came to the Sunday Feast this
evening), chanted the holy names before thousands of passersby, got
articles in three major local newspapers, were in the evening news on one
local television station, and had in attendance representatives from the
Baltimore Mayors' office, Maryland Governors' office, two State Senators'
offices, two local Delegates' offices, our local Councilman, as well as a
representative from the office of the Indian Ambassador in Washington, D.C.
who all presented ISKCON Baltimore with wonderful Citations of
Appreciation. And, to top it all off, Mayor Sheila Dixon officially
proclaimed this as Rathayatra Day in Baltimore.
[PADA: All the more reason you need to clarify that the false gurus do not
represent Srila Prabhupada. Right now people are very confused, "What is a
homosexual pedophile guru and why have the ISKCON leaders been promoting
that process"?]
Your servant,
Sunanda das
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10) Ravindra Svarupa's Questionable Conclusions BY: GADADHARA DASA
Ravindra Svarupa dasa writes the following in his article about Varnasram:
"I know from my own experience how sankirtana in America tended to become
less and less of a brahminical preaching activity and more and more of a
vaisya commercial activity, with books eventually being replaced by secular
paraphernalia. This shift from preaching to fund-raising after Srila
Prabhupada's demise has been well documented by E. Burke Rochford in Hare
Krishna in America (New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press, 1986). While
the movement prospered financially, it declined spiritually. Prabhupada's
misgivings proved sound."
I want to make the following points in regard to above paragraph: (1) The
actual fact is that secular paraphernalia did bring money, but that money
was wasted by the leaders, so the movement went broke both financially and
spiritually.
(2) Example in point is that Tamal Krishna Goswami's farm purchase around
1981 in Oklahoma destroyed the health and wealth of Chicago, St. Louis,
Dallas, and Houston Temples. When I moved to Dallas in 1985 I found out
that some days, temple could not even provide breakfast to the devotees -
not even rice and potatoes - the cheapest ingredients.
(3) Similarly, I am sure Hansadutta destroyed the health and wealth of
temples in his zone, and other Zonal Acharya's did the same - knowingly or
unknowingly.
(4) Zonal Acharyas drove away their God-Brothers and their own disciples in
their madness of pretending to be Jagat Gurus.
(5) Devotees learned and mastered cheating tactics instead of learning and
preaching philosophy. Then slowly they left the movement or were kicked out
by Zonal Acharyas.
Then Ravindra Svarupa writes: "In 1987 ISKCON in America fortunately
changed course. The North American leaders resolved to stop all sales of
secular items by the temples and to return them to what was, in effect, a
brahminical mode of maintenance, depending mainly upon donations from the
congregation and working residents. All the temples in North America
quickly went broke."
I want to make following points in regard to above paragraph: (1) By 1987,
temples were already broke both financially and spiritually because they
had become empty and did not have anyone left to go out and sell secular
paraphernalia. To say that the stopping of selling secular paraphernalia
brought financial ruin is misleading.
(2) Ravindra Svarupa says 'donations from the congregation' - he should
have said HINDU CONGREGATION. By 1987, Toronto, Vancouver (Kratu Das -
Gujarati Indian Devotee), Chicago (Vrsabha Das - Gujarati Indian Devotee),
Houston and Dallas (Gadadhar Dasa - Gujarati Indian Devotee), temples --
and maybe other temples -- were receiving significant donations from the
Hindu community to maintain, build, and/or renovate temples. The devotees
mentioned here had a lot to do with collecting these funds from Hindus.
(3) So ISKCON did not have much choice. It did not have devotees who would
go out and sell books or paraphernalia. The Hindu community came in handy
to fill the financial shortfall.
Then Ravindra Svarupa writes: "However, there has been since then a slow
but steady recovery, both spiritual and financial. Both depend, in my view,
on turning the temples into exemplary brahminical institutions. The brief
history I have recounted illustrates the truth - and the prescience - of
Prabhupada's perception."
I want to make following points in regard to above paragraph: (1) There is
not even a vague indication of the destruction caused by Zonal Acharyas; of
abuse and molestation of men, women, and children; the payment of $9+
million dollar judgment; of no one going to jail from a list of 200 abusers
and molesters; thousands of driven away devotees; non-existent distribution
of books, harinama, and prasadam. But Dr. Deadwyler thinks that ISKCON
Temples are becoming more and more brahminical day by day.
(2) Dr. Deadwyler must have a different definition of "TRUTH" then what the
scripture says - "Earth can bear any burden except that of a liar". Of
course, Dr. Deadwyler likes to think that ISKCON critics are lunatics. So
there is not much hope that he can grasp any mistakes on part of his
buddies or dare to correct any.
(3) Truth means all facts must be spoken for the benefit of every one - not
that you speak selectively.
(4) Dr. Deadwyler is correct in saying that ISKCON does not have a brain -
or an under-developed brain. More correctly, ISKCON leaders do not have
brahminical qualitiesm as given in Bhagavad-gita Chapter 18. They pretend
to be Rajarshis - they hold a double-edged sword of irrational exuberance.
The blind leading the blind into the ditch.
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Resorting to the Rtvik Hammer BY: ROCANA DASA
RD: I would like to comment on a number of issues mentioned in articles
that have been posted recently, both here on the Sun and in Dandavats,
primarily focused on the Rtvik phenomenon.
[PD: Rocana STILL says -- what he was saying in 1978 -- that the worship of
Srila Prabhupada is "the bogus (ritvik?) phenomena." WHAT! We are not
allowed to worship the acharya Srila Prabhupada! Rocana is STILL saying he
is a Gaudiya Matha groupie? What! Rocana, you forget that it is Srila
Prabhupada who uses the term "they will act as my representatives,
ritviks," and so you are kicking Srila Prabhupada in the face when you
insult his use of that term. This is HIS WORD, and so you are attacking HIM
by attacking HIS word. What is the difference between you and Tamal,
Narayana Maharaja and all the rest of them? "Oh worship the pure devotee,
that is the bogus idea of Srila Prabhupada," you are attacking your own
guru's words. Did we forget to mention how Srila Prabhupada says that the
people who do that are puffed-up rascals?
Oh we forgot, you are like Tamal, not a minor league "representative," you
are the "living person" we all need to lick the boots of. Dream on! As for
us accepting you and your living guru pals like Kundali as our living
gurus, again: dream on. This is your wonderful dream, you will be the next
living guru and we will all run off to the Gaudiya Matha to be with you and
your writer Kundali, but you are our nightmare. We were told NOT to run off
to the Gaudiya Matha, we were told to make representatives aka ritviks, not
yours and Kundali's bogus "living gurus," have ye not learned this by now!
And look at the mayhem your "living guru" idea has been causing! Neine
danke. Srila Prabhupada says we are not living gurus, we are not fit for
that, and that your whole living guru idea "ruined the Gaudiya Matha
mission." ALL of us devotees are meant to be HIS agents, not his living
successors! Wake up dude! Your dream will not happen! thanks pd]
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