Jesus Christ Predicted The Appearance of Srila Prabhupada (Part 2)
By Mahesh Raja
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, June 15, 1974, Paris:
Yogesvara: “He says, for example, the verse you read yesterday, that was similar to what is taught in the Vedas, but if we take the rest of that chapter from the Bible, we find some discrepancies, differences.
Prabhupada: What is that? (French)
Yogesvara: For example, in that chapter, it also says that the word of God became flesh and that flesh was the son of God, Lord Jesus Christ.
Prabhupada: But that means Jesus Christ is transcendental, not of this material world. (French)
Yogesvara: They say… They accept… They think that Lord Jesus, however, was a human being. He was spiritual, but also he was part of this material world.
Prabhupada: No, material world is part of Jesus Christ, but Jesus Christ is not part of material world. (French)
Yogesvara: He says that they had a human body, he had a material body.
Prabhupada: That human body appears like that, but he had no this material flesh and blood. A material body, how there can be resurrection?
Yogesvara: If it was material body, how is it possible for him to be resurrected? (French)
Prabhupada: Is that all right?
Jyotirmayi: They said it is by the acintya power of God.
Prabhupada: These, these rascals, they thought that “Jesus had a material body. Let us kill him.” So Jesus Christ bewildered them more, to remain rascal, that they will continue to think that Jesus had a material body.
Jyotirmayi: Bewildered them?
Yogesvara: Yes, he bewildered them more by saying: “All right, go on thinking like that.”
Prabhupada: That is their punishment. They remain always in darkness that Jesus had a material body. (French)
Jyotirmayi: So he’s saying that he respects your explanation, but that the Christians, they have another explanation, and that if we…
Prabhupada: But we must come to the reason before giving explanation. You cannot explain…
Yogesvara: What is the reason for his incarnation?
Prabhupada: You cannot explain whimsically. You cannot explain whimsically. If Jesus Christ is son of God, he has… That means he has got spiritual body. You…
French Woman: Yes, we accept that he got the has got spiritual body, but we say that he assumed also a material body.
Prabhupada: Now, then, then, another thing is: you accept Jesus Christ the only son of God, is it not? So when you pray in the church, you address God, “Oh Father.” Then why “only son”?
French Woman: We say that the son is…
Prabhupada: Then everyone is son.
French Woman: Yes, we say that this is the same God, yes.
Prabhupada: If I address God, “My father,” then I am his son. So why there should be “only son”? (French)
French Woman: Yes, we say that we are adopted sons. (laughter) (French) Jyotirmayi: They say that they are sons, that all living beings are sons, but by adoption.
Yogesvara: Adopted son. Yes.
Prabhupada: So therefore these sons’ body and Jesus’s body cannot be equal. So adopted son has got material body, not the real son. (French)
Yogesvara: Their idea is that: Yes, of course, Lord Jesus, being the son of God, his body is spiritual, but because he wanted to take part in the life of the human beings on earth, he actually accepted a material body just to live among men.
Prabhupada: Why he should accept?
French Woman: But we have a vesper that says that he was died, that he was suffering, and things which show that…
Prabhupada: But his death… You think that he was died, but he resurrected.
French Woman: But the gospel says that he had died.
Prabhupada: That’s all right.
French Woman: You cannot… We accept the totality of the word, as you accept your word.
Prabhupada: No. No, no. “Died” means that is similar death. Janma karma me divyam. Just like Christ take birth from the womb of Mary. It appears like that, but actually that is not. (French)
French Woman: No, it is very important that the death of Christ is a real death. For us, it is the center of our faith.
Yogesvara: They say that the central point of their philosophy is that Lord Jesus actually died. (French)
Prabhupada: No, according to Vedic conception, even ordinary living being, he does not die. Na hanyate hanyamane sarire. You understand Sanskrit? French Woman: No, I don’t understand it by hearing it. You have to read it. Prabhupada: Na hanyate, does not die, hanyamane sarire, apparently, the body being dead, the soul is never dead. (French)
Yogesvara: So… Shall I explain that one? What the good Pastor–are they called Pastor?–describes is that in order for there to be a dialogue, we have to respect each others’ positions, not that we will try to convert the other. He says just as we respect you have an absolute faith in the Vedic philosophy, so also there must be respect that the Christian interpretation of the life of Lord Jesus and his death…
Prabhupada: Oh, I think I have better respect than him to Jesus Christ. I say he does not die. He says he dies. (French) So far respect is concerned, I have more respect than them. They want to see Jesus Christ dead. I don’t want to see him dead.
French Woman: No. Death and resurrection after, Jesus.
Yogesvara: There’s a resurrection.
Teachings of Queen Kunti, 12:
“In the Bible it is said that man was made in the image of God, and this means that we are reflections of God’s image. It is not that we invent or imagine some form of God according to our own form. Those who adhere to the Mayavada philosophy of anthropomorphism say, “The Absolute Truth is impersonal, but because we are persons we imagine that the Absolute Truth is also a person.” This is a mistake, and in fact just the opposite is true. We have two hands, two legs, and a head because God Himself has these same features. We have personal forms because we are reflections of God. Furthermore, we should philosophically understand that if the original person benefits, the reflection also benefits. So if we decorate Krsna, we also shall be decorated. If we satisfy Krsna, we shall become satisfied. If we offer nice food to Krsna, we shall also eat the same food. Those who live outside the temples of Krsna consciousness may never have imagined such palatable food as the food we are offering to Krsna, but because it is being offered to Krsna, we also have the opportunity to eat it. So we should try to satisfy Krsna in all respects, and then we shall be satisfied in all respects.”
Science of Self-Realization, 4:
Srila Prabhupada: “Humility means intelligence. The humble and meek own the kingdom of God. This is stated in the Bible, is it not? But the philosophy of the rascals is that everyone is God, and today this idea has become popular. Therefore no one is humble and meek. If everyone thinks that he is God, why should he be humble and meek? Therefore I teach my disciples how to become humble and meek. They always offer their respectful obeisances in the temple and to the spiritual master, and in this way they make advancement. The qualities of humbleness and meekness lead very quickly to spiritual realization. In the Vedic scriptures it is said, “To those who have firm faith in God and the spiritual master, who is His representative, the meaning of the Vedic scriptures is revealed.”
Father Emmanuel: But shouldn’t this humility be offered to everyone else,
also? Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but there are two kinds of respect: special and ordinary. Sri Krsna Caitanya taught that we shouldn’t expect honor for ourselves, but should always respect everyone else, even if he is disrespectful to us. But special respect should be given to God and His pure devotee.”
Science of Self-Realization, 4:
Srila Prabhupada: “But the Bible does not simply say, “Do not kill the human being.” It says broadly, “Thou shalt not kill.”
Cardinal Danielou: We believe that only human life is sacred.
Srila Prabhupada: That is your interpretation. The commandment is “Thou shalt not kill.”
Heathen means being disobedient to the orders of the commandments. Thou shalt not kill is a clear commandment which does not require interpretation.
Path of Perfection, 8:
“Purification of consciousness is the purpose of this Krsna consciousness movement. Presently we are preparing this divine consciousness, for our consciousness goes with us at the time of death. Consciousness is carried from the body just as the aroma of a flower is carried by the air. When we die, this material body composed of five elements–earth, water, air, fire, and ether–decomposes, and the gross materials return to the elements. Or, as the Christian Bible says, “Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.” In some societies the body is burned, in others it is buried, and in others it is thrown to animals. In India, the Hindus burn the body, and thus the body is transformed into ashes. Ash is simply another form of earth. Christians bury the body, and after some time in the grave, the body eventually turns to dust, which again, like ash, is another form of earth. There are other societies–like the Parsee community in India–that neither burn nor bury the body but throw it to the vultures, and the vultures immediately come to eat the body, and then the body is eventually transformed into stool. So in any case, this beautiful body, which we are soaping and caring for so nicely, will eventually turn into either stool, ashes, or dust.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, November 14, 1972, Vrindavan:
“The solid fact is the Lord created. In the Bible also it is said that God said, “Let there be creation.” So it is from the person. Here also, we find the creation begins from the person. In the Vedas it is said, sa aiksata. Sa asrjata. Aiksata, “By the glance, He looked over, God looked over, and He created.” The reference is to the person. We also find from our experience that whenever there is something manufacturing, or creation, we do not find automatically some matter comes into being. We don’t, we haven’t such experience. Whenever there is anything manufactured or created, there is a person behind it. So this is not a very good theory that from the chunk, or some matter exploded, and immediately the universe came into existence.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, January 10, 1968, Los Angeles:
“Now, the whole material world is produced from sound. That is scientific fact. Scientists are researching the importance of sound, physical science. Sound, light, and transmission of sound and light. There are so many things, electronics. So this sound vibration, this is material sound. They have got so much wonderful power. And just try to understand what is the power of the spiritual sound. Real sound is coming from the spiritual world. It is simply just like gramophone. The sound is coming originally from the person; the gramophone is reproducing. That is not the original source of the sound. Similarly, whatever sound is there in this material world, the original sound is produced by God. Just like in your Bible it is said, “Let there be creation.” It is, simply it was sound and there was creation. So spiritual sound is so powerful. And we are trying to catch you directly from that sound vibration, Hare Krsna, and I am sure it is acting. Simply, sabdad anavrttih.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, June 20, 1973, Mayapur:
“In the Bible, it is said the animals are given under the control of human beings, man. Is it not? They have taken it. And because the animals are given under the control of man, therefore man should open slaughterhouse and eat them? Suppose if somebody gives his son, “Sir, will you take my son? Keep him under your control.” Does it mean I shall eat him? These rascals interpret in that way. Because the animals are given under the control of man, therefore there should be slaughterhouse, the animals will be killed, and they will eat. This is their interpretation of the Bible, is it not?”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, August 13, 1972, Los Angeles:
“So Krsna and His pastimes, His name, quality, paraphernalia, entourage, everything is spiritual. That is accepted by great scholars like Sankaracarya. He says: narayana para. “Narayana, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is beyond this material world.” There are many examples. In your Bible also, those who are Christians, God said, “Let there be creation.” So there was creation. Now this world, this word is not vibration of this material world. In the material world, if I say, “Let there be some mango,” so no. That is not possible. BUT IN THE SPIRITUAL VIBRATION, THAT IS POSSIBLE. That is possible. So the study is that God said, “Let there be creation.” So there was creation. Now this word existed before the creation, because “Let there be creation” means when God is speaking there was no creation. And the creation means this material world. Therefore this vibration is not material. So when God is saying, “Let there be creation,” then He’s a person. Therefore His personality is also transcendental, spiritual. Otherwise how He speaks?”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, January 3, 1970, Los Angeles:
“Now, in the Bible, Lord Jesus Christ is described as the son of God. Now, so far I have heard, that it is claimed that he is the only one son of God. Now according to Bhagavad-gita, every living entity is son of God. Now how to adjust? If the Bible says that Lord Jesus Christ is the only one son, then how these so many innumerable sons can be adjusted? There is adjustment. There is very nice adjustment. One should know it. He is the only one son means one who can sacrifice his life for God, he is real son. And one who is simply taking from father, “Oh, God, give us our daily bread,” and He is supplying and eating and enjoying sense enjoyement, he is not real son. The real son is he who sacrifices his life for glorifying his father. Similarly, anyone who will sacrifice his life… Of course, it is not required that everyone shall be crucified like Lord Jesus Christ, but he should sacrifice his energy for the Supreme Lord. And that person who has devoted his energy for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, he is called Krsna conscious person.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 23, 1972:
“Even a maha-bhagavata, when he becomes preacher, he comes down to the second platform. He does not remain on the topmost platform. He plays the part of second platform. And sometimes it is stated in the Bible, I think, that Jesus Christ said, “I had many things to say, but I am not saying.” Is it not? So actually, the maha-bhagavata, he has many things to say, but because he’s preacher he does not say everything to the neophyte devotees. Because they are not competent to accept that.”
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, March 9, 1975, London:
Reporter: “Can you tell me how your teaching relates to the Bible, to the Christian teaching?
Prabhupada: Christian teaching is good. It is giving idea of God. But who is following Christian teaching? That is the problem. Nobody is following. Christ says, “Thou shall not kill,” and the Christian people are very expert in killing. Do you admit or not?
Reporter: I admit.
Prabhupada: Just see. Then who is a Christian? If one does not follow the instruction of Christ, then would you call him a Christian?
Prabhupada: That’s it. That is the problem.
Reporte: Is there any reason why you teach your followers the Bhagavad-gita rather than the Bible?
Prabhupada: The teaching is the same. The teaching is the same. What Lord Jesus Christ taught and what we are… (aside:) Aiye. The teaching is the same. But who is following? That is the difficulty.
Reporter: I see. So you don’t think that…
Prabhupada: The difficulty has arisen–I am claiming to be Hindu, but I am not following the Vedic rules. You are claiming to be Christian, but you are not following the Christian rules. This is going on all over the world.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Rayarama, October 22, 1971:
“I am so glad to learn that you are eager to preach but we should know it that we cannot preach without being solid in our standing as devotee. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that “apani acari prabhu jivare sikhaya.” This means that Lord Caitanya wanted that one should preach by behaving himself exactly what he preaches. So our Krsna consciousness movement, preaching, depends on personal behavior. If you want to preach the gospel of Lord Jesus Christ on the principles of Bhagavad-gita you will find so many differences. Those who are following Jesus Christ, let them follow strictly to the principles of the Bible. “Thou shalt not kill” is now being misinterpreted by Christian priests. Now they say “Thou shall not murder.” This means trying to save themselves from the crime of animal killing. So you cannot teach such unscrupled followers the message of Bhagavad-gita.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Syamasundara, August 31, 1969:
“Actually our Krishna Conscious movement is genuine Christian movement. CHRIST MEANS KRISHNA, LOVE OF GODHEAD, WHO HAS HIS FACE ANNOINTED WITH TILAK. There is a word Kristos in the Greek dictionary, and this word is supposed to be borrowed from the Sanskrit word “Krishna,” and Christ is derived from Kristos.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, January 8, 1968, Los Angeles:
“So my request to you (is) that don’t accept Krsna as something Indian god or Hindu god. No. Krsna is the original father of all living entities. He claims. If you don’t accept… If the father says, “You are my son,” and the son says, “No, I am not your son,” oh, that is son’s prerogative. He may deny it if he doesn’t believe his mother. Now what is the proof that one man is my father? The mother is the proof. There is no other source of understanding who is my father. If a boy wants to understand, “Who is my father?” the only authority is the mother. Mother will say, “My dear boy, my dear child, here is your father.” You have to accept. If you say, “I don’t accept. I must have proof that he is my father.” How it is possible? It is not possible. Similarly, the Vedic literature is to be considered the mother and Vedic literature says, janmady asya yatah: “The Supreme Absolute Truth is that who is the source of all generation, all emanations.” And what is that source? Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that “I am the father.” So if you believe scriptures, Vedic literatures, if you believe Bhagavad-gita, then you have to accept Krsna as the supreme father because the mother… Vedic literature is considered to be the mother. She gives evidence that Krsna is the father. Just like mother gives evidence who is your father, similarly, the Vedic literatures is compared to a mother, and the Vedic literature says that Krsna is the father. In your Christian literature, Bible, Jesus Christ is accepted as the son of God. He presented himself as son of God. And here Krsna says that “I am the father.” So there is no contradiction. The son of God also says about God, and the father also says about the God, Himself. The son of God says that “You surrender unto God,” and God says, “You surrender unto Me.” Then where there is contradiction? There is no contradiction.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, December 31, 1966, New York:
“So before His coming, some of His devotees, they come first, just to become His father, become His mother, become His family members, like that. Because He does not do anything which is against the process of this world. A man is born out of his father and mother, so He has to take His birth from a father and mother. So these fathers and mothers were, are first sent. I think in the Bible they call messiahs, or what you have? Similarly, nobody can become the father and mother of God. But, when He manifests Himself in this material world, He shows that “He’s My father.” Just like Krsna accepted father, Vasudeva, Vasudeva as His father and Devaki as His mother. Or His foster-father, Nanda Maharaja, and His foster-mother, Yasoda. So they are all devotees. Krsna’s friend, Krsna’s father, Krsna’s everyone, when He displays Himself, they are all devotees. He’s the Supreme. Nobody can be father of Krsna.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, June 10, 1968, Montreal:
Prabhupada: “Body of Christ is not ordinary body. That is spiritual body. Krsna, as Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam, dharma-samsthapanarthaya yuge yuge sambhavami atma-mayaya. So this is a very subtle point. One has to understand that when God comes or God’s son comes or God’s representative comes, they do not accept a body like us. They have their spiritual body.”
Srila Prabhupada “Lecture on Bhagavad-gita, January 3, 1969, Los Angeles:
Devotee: Prabhupada? Does Lord Jesus Christ appear in the spiritual sky with the body he manifested on the earth?
Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise how there can be resurrection? Ordinary body cannot be resurrected. He appeared in his spiritual body, certainly. Jesus Christ told, if I remember, that “Lord, excuse these persons,” who were crucifying him. Is it not? He knew that “These rascals, they are killing me, but… They are offending certainly. So they do not know that I cannot be killed, but they are thinking that they are killing.” You see? But that was offensive, therefore he begged Lord to be excused because God cannot excuse to the offenders of the devotee. He can excuse one who is offender to God, but if somebody is offender to the devotee, God never excuses. Therefore he prayed for them. That is devotee’s qualification. He prays for everyone, even of his enemy. And he could not be killed. That he knew. But those rascals, they thought they were killing Jesus Christ.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, June 29, 1968, Montreal:
Prabhupada: “He was protected. Devotees are not under the karma. In the Brahma-samhita it is stated, karmani nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhajam. Prahlada Maharaja was tortured by his father in so many ways, but he was not affected. He was not affected. Superficially… Just like in the Christian Bible also, that Lord Jesus Christ was tortured, but he was not affected. This is the difference between ordinary man and the devotees or transcendentalists. Apparently it is seen that a devotee is being tortured, but he is not tortured. There is one example, nice example. Just like the cat. The cat carries the kitties in the mouth, and it carries a mouse also in the mouth. So apparently it is seen that a cat is carrying its kitties in the mouth means it is in pain. But it is not in pain. That is a fact. Rather, she feels very comfortable. You see? But when the cat, the same cat, catches one mouse, his life is gone. But you see that she is carrying in the mouth both of them. Similarly, whenever you’ll find that a great devotee is placed into torturing condition, he does not feel. But the demon thinks that “I am torturing him.” Yes?”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 2, 1968, Seattle:
Prabhupada: “So where do you find the difference? If Lord Jesus Christ says, “Through me,” that means he’s representative of God, and hari-nama is God. So either through the representative of God or God, the same thing. God and God’s representative, there is no difference. Even in these ordinary dealings, if I send some representative, if he signs something on my behalf, I have to accept that, because he is my representative. Similarly, God has to be approached through God or through His representative. The same thing. Only the difference may be of understanding. Because Lord Jesus Christ spoke to a society that was not very much advanced. You can understand that such a great personality, God conscious person, was crucified. Just see the condition of the society. In other words, they were low-grade society. So they were not able to understand the whole philosophy of God. That is sufficient. “God created. Just take it.” They were not intelligent to understand how the creation took place. Had they been intelligent, they would not have crucified such a great personality like Jesus Christ. SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE SOCIETY. Just like in the Koran it is said by Muhammad that “From this day you have no sex intercourse with your mother.” Just find out the condition of the society. So we have to take account of the time, circumstances, society, and then preaching. So to society like that it is not possible to understand the high philosophical things as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. But the primary fact, the authority is God, that is accepted both in Bible and Bhagavad-gita. Bible begins, “God is the supreme authority,” and Bhagavad-gita concludes, “You surrender.” Where is the difference? Simply the description is according to the time, society, and place and people. That’s all. They are not Arjuna. You see? So the things to be understood by Arjuna is not possible by the persons who had crucified Lord Jesus Christ. You have to study in that light. The same thing. A dictionary, a pocket dictionary, child’s dictionary, and the dictionary, international dictionary, both of them dictionary, but the value is different. That dictionary is meant for a class of children, and that dictionary is meant for high scholars. But none of them you can say it is not dictionary. That you cannot say. Both of them are dictionaries. So we have to take consideration of the time, place, persons, everything. Just like Lord Buddha, he simply said that “Stop this nonsense animal killing.” That was his propaganda. They were so low-grade people, simply taking pleasure in animal killing. So in order to elevate them, Lord Buddha wanted to stop this nonsense: “Please stop killing.” So in every time a different representative of God or God comes to teach people at different circumstances. So according to the circumstances there may be some difference in explanation, but the primary factor remains the same. Lord Buddha said, “All right, there is no God, but you surrender to me.” Then where is the difference? That means one has to accept the authority of God either this way or that way.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 9, 1968, Seattle:
“Now in our childhood… Not childhood. We were at that time college student, Scottish Churches College in Calcutta. So that is Christian college, Scottish Churches. So we had to read Bible also. There was a Bible class from 1:00 to 1:30. So I remember our professor, he was a great philosopher also, Dr. W.S. Urquhart. He was very nice man, very friendly. So he was explaining from Bible. I do not know… The Christians, they do not believe in karma. Is it a fact? They do not believe in karma? Govinda dasi: They have a verse that “You reap what you sow,” which means whatever you do, you receive the reaction of. It’s sort of… Prabhupada: So… But karma is accepted? But I do not know. Dr. Urquhart was arguing that if I am suffering or enjoying as the effect of my previous life, so who is the witness? His argument was like this. Just like if I have committed some criminal act, in the court there is need of witness.
Then one has to prove that somebody has seen that he has done this. This is simply a legal formality. Who is going to steal while keeping one witness? Nobody’s going, but court wants that who has seen that he has stolen. Anyway, Dr. Urquhart’s argument was that “Who is the witness? I am suffering the reaction of my previous bad or evil activities, but who is the witness?” But at that time we were not so intelligent. We could not answer. But later on, when we were grown up and studied Bhagavad-gita, then here, in the Bhagavad-gita, we saw that upadrasta. The Lord is upadrasta, He is witness. Upadrasta. Anumanta. Anumanta means ordering. You cannot do anything without being sanctioned by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You have no power. Therefore we are, in all respect, we are dependent. That we have got very nice experience. This hand is moving, but if the power is withdrawn, I cannot move my hand. Therefore I am not independent to move my hand. So upadrasta anumanta. We cannot do anything without being sanctioned by the Supreme Lord. There is an English word, that not even a grass moves without the sanction of the Lord. So that is a fact. So how one is doing nice thing and how one is doing evil things if He is the order giver? That is our independence. We can take sanction from the Lord. If we want to do something evil, I cannot do it without the sanction of the Supreme. Or even if I do something very nice, that also I cannot do without the sanction. So how the Lord gives such sanction? The sanction is like this: just like a child is crying to get something from the parent, and the parent, being disgusted, gives him something, “All right. Take it.” Such kind of sanction. When we do something evil, the sanction is from the Lord, but it is not willing sanction. Against the will of the Lord. And when you do something in cooperation with the Lord, that is called bhakti. We are doing everything… In the material world we are doing everything, all nonsense for sense gratification. There is also sanction of the Lord, but that is unwilling sanction. But when we execute devotional service, loving devotional service, that is very pleasing to the Lord.”
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, May 15, 1976, Honolulu:
Pusta Krsna: “They counter that if God is all-powerful, He can do anything. So why not He can create a soul and that soul can then be eternal from that point?
Pusta Krsna: The Christian may argue that God is all-powerful, so God has created the soul, and from that point the soul is eternal.
Prabhupada: Soul is eternal, we admit.
Pusta Krsna: But only from that point, not in the past.
Prabhupada: Not in the past?
Pusta Krsna: Yes, because according to Biblical philosophy you only have one lifetime in this world.
Prabhupada: Then who goes to heaven?
Pusta Krsna: Persons who adopt the principles.
Prabhupada: And if one life, then who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
Pusta Krsna: Very few go to heaven.
Prabhupada: ANYONE, IF HE GOES TO HELL OR HEAVEN, THEN WHY DO YOU SAY “ONE LIFE”? THEN ANOTHER LIFE. OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE MEANING OF GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL?
Hari-sauri: No. They get one chance to good or bad, and then finish.
Hari-sauri: They get one chance. Do good or bad. Then you either go to heaven or to hell. But you don’t get another chance.
Prabhupada: But if he goes heaven means there is another life. How do you say “one life”? This is defective philosophy.
Pusta Krsna: But this is what God has said in the Bible; therefore we must accept.
Pusta Krsna: This is what God has said in the Bible; therefore we must accept.
Prabhupada: God, if He says something unreasonable, how it can be accepted? You say, “one life.” Then who goes to the next life? That is defective. Why do you not talk back?
Pusta Krsna: (break) …cannot explain why some people are born in a more pious setting and some people are born in a more impious setting.
Prabhupada: Because they do not know the karma. Karmana daiva netrena. According to one’s activities, pious or impious, he gets the next birth. That is quite reasonable. But they do not believe in karma. When I was student in Scottish Churches College, so we had to attend class, half an hour, Bible. So the Dr. Urquhart, he did…. The argument was: “So if karma is there and I am suffering for my karma, who is the witness?” But because they do not know that the witness is God.
Pusta Krsna: He asked that question?
Prabhupada: Yes, he asked that question. (break) Paramatma…. They say “Holy Ghost.” What is that Holy Ghost?
Pusta Krsna: The Holy Ghost is supposed to give knowledge to persons who have embraced the teaching.
Prabhupada: Therefore He is seeing what you are doing. So according to your action, the Holy Ghost gives you another birth. (break) …sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati. (break)…dictating everyone’s heart, and He is observing. Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya.
Pusta Krsna: (break) …contends that if a person does not become fully aware in this lifetime of God, then they don’t have another chance, and they are condemned to hell for eternity.
Prabhupada: The hell or heaven doesn’t matter. The next life is there. How you say “one life”? That is defective theory. Therefore this philosophy cannot be accepted. Anything which is defective is not to be accepted.”
Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.42:
“The sun, fire, sky, air, demigods, moon, evening, day, night, directions, water, land and Supersoul Himself all witness the activities of the living entity.
The members of some religious sects, especially Christians, do not believe in the reactions of karma. We once had a discussion with a learned Christian professor who argued that although people are generally punished after the witnesses of their misdeeds are examined, where are the witnesses responsible for one’s suffering the reactions of past karma? To such a person the answer by the Yamadutas is given here. A conditioned soul thinks that he is working stealthily and that no one can see his sinful activities, but we can understand from the sastras that there are many witnesses, including the sun, fire, sky, air, moon, demigods, evening, day, night, directions, water, land and the Supersoul Himself, who sits with the individual soul within his heart. Where is the dearth of witnesses? The witnesses and the Supreme Lord both exist, and therefore so many living entities are elevated to higher planetary systems or degraded to lower planetary systems, including the hellish planets. There are no discrepancies, for everything is arranged perfectly by the management of the Supreme God (svabhaviki jnana-bala-kriya ca).”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, April 26, 1969, Boston:
“And the Bhagavata says, parabhavas tavad abodha-jato yavan na jijnasata atma-tattvam: “A man is supposed to be defeated in all his activities if he does not inquire what he is.” This statement is also in Bible, you know, that “If one loses his own self and he gains all material prosperity, what does he gain?” Actually, this is the fact.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, June 28, 1976, Melbourne:
“Just like in Bible also there are so many commandments that “You shall not do this,” because they are sinful. A sinful man cannot approach God. That is the verdict of Vedic literature.
yesam tv anta-gatam papam
bhajante mam drdha-vratah
One who is completely free from the reaction of sinful life, he can completely devote in the service of the Lord. So the common platform is there. God is neither Hindu nor Muslim, nor the method of approaching God may be different, but the ultimate end is how to love God or how to serve God.”
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, March 2, 1975, Atlanta:
Devotee: “In the Bible they say that the animals don’t have soul; therefore it’s not the same as killing.
Prabhupada: I do not know whether it is said. (break) …expert in calling Bible, but where it is said, he does not know. He is so expert in Bible (laughter) How do you know? Now, apart from Bible or any scripture, how do you find that the animal has no soul? How do you consider it? What is the symptom of having soul? That is very easy, but you do not know. When the soul is gone from the body, it does not move. And when the soul is there, it moves. This is the understanding of soul. So do you think the animal does not move? The animal has no blood? The animal has no bone? How do you say that animal has no soul? This is foolishness. The soul is there. Even one small ant, there is soul. Otherwise how it is moving? So long the soul is there, the dull material body is moving. And as soon as the soul is gone, you will cry, “My father has gone away.” Why your father gone? It is lying there. Why do you say, “My father has gone away”? This is ignorance. We do not know what is soul. We see the body. So long I have seen the body of my father. Now the soul has gone. I am crying, “My father has gone away.” But did you see your father? “Yes, that body.” The body is there. Why you are crying? So it is very common sense affair to understand where there is soul. A big stone, a big mountain, it cannot move although it is so big. And a small ant is moving. Why? There is soul. So how can you say the animals have no soul? This is ignorance. Tatha dehantara-praptih. The soul being within the body means it is changing the body from babyhood to childhood, childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, like that. And if the child is born dead–no more change of body. That is the proof that there is soul. Soul means the living force which is moving the body. That is soul. How you can say the animal has no soul? Everyone has soul. Even the grass has soul, because it is growing, changing body. (break) …simple thing. Ceto-darpana-marjanam. Because all dirty things are within our heart. On account of dirty things we are thinking that “I have got soul, and the animal has no soul.” This is due to dirtiness of the heart. So if you chant Hare Krsna, the heart will be cleansed. Just like a mirror with a dust, you cannot see, but if this dust is cleansed, then you can see your face very nicely. Similarly, because on account of material contamination our heart is unclean, we cannot see things as they are, but the chanting process will cleanse your heart, and then you will see everything in order. Then you will not say the animal has no soul.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Yamuna, May 27, 1969:
“We are compared as the shadow of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and as it is stated in the Bible also, man is made after God. We understand from the scriptures that Krishna has His Vigraha, or Spiritual Body, exactly like a man who has two hands, two legs and all similar features. If you decorate your face, you do not see directly how your face has become beautiful, but when you see the reflection of your face in the mirror, then indirectly you can see the beauty. Therefore, by serving Krishna directly the result of the service indirectly comes to us. Just like we offer very nice prasadam directly to Krishna, but indirectly we enjoy the nice taste of the prasadam. So we should always remember this, that Krishna is always full in Himself; He does not want a pinch of our help for his satisfaction, but if we try to satisfy Him in so many ways as directed by acaryas and scriptures, indirectly we become benefited by such activities.”
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, July 12, 1973, London:
Hamsaduta: “In the Bible also, in the very beginning page, there’s a verse. After God created everything, the animals and the trees and everything, then He gave allotment of food to the human society. It says very plainly that “The seed-bearing plants and trees of the earth shall be your meat, or shall be your food.”
Prabhupada: Just see.
Hamsaduta: And it says nothing…
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, June 11, 1974, Paris:
Prabhupada: “That is still lower grade man. But so far experience that “I have not… God is beyond my experience.” Another point that in the Bible, Christ, Lord Christ says that “My Lord, Thy be hallowed…” What is that?
Devotees: “Hallowed be Thy name.”
Prabhupada: So God has name.
Pusta-krsna: “Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by Thy name.”
Prabhupada: Eh? So he admits God has His name. But it may be that he did not disclose or did not like to say, but there is already name. So it is up to the followers to know what is that name.”
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, June 15, 1976, Paris:
Prabhupada: “Christians, they cannot say that God is impersonal. (French) Because, because Christ is son of God. So the son is person. How the Father can be imperson? And in the Bible it is said, “There was word in the beginning.” That is God’s word. So if one has a word, then He’s a person. Word comes from the tongue and mouth. As soon as there is word, background is tongue and mouth. And then… The Christians pray in the church, “Oh, God, give us our daily bread.” So God has got ear so that He will hear and supply. But His personality, His word, His hearing, they’re all transcendental, nonmaterial.”
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, June 15, 1974, Paris:
Prabhupada: “Yes. Just like in the Bible it is said, “There was only word in the beginning.” So in the beginning, there was word. That means that word is not the word of this material creation.”
Transmigration of Soul to Another Destination
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, June 10, 1975, Honolulu:
Prabhupada: “Otherwise what is the meaning of going to God? They believe it.
Prabhupada: What is, the Bible says, “Come to kingdom of God”?
Prabhupada: So if you have no next life, how you are going to there?
Siddha-svarupa: Yes. They accept another life.
Prabhupada: Then that is… Another life means soul.”
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, April 1, 1975, Mayapur:
Ravindra-svarupa: “In the Bible they give twelve names for God.
Prabhupada: No, let me finish this. If you do not accept Krsna is the name of God,… I have explained what is the idea of Krsna. The Krsna means all-attractive. The example is given: Just like gold. Gold is attractive to everyone–to the educated, the uneducated, to the black, to the white, man, woman, everyone. One who knows God, er, one who knows gold–gold is attractive. Similarly, God is all-attractive. There cannot be that “It is black gold,” “It is white gold,” “It is Christian gold,” “It is Hindu gold.” No. Gold is gold. So we present Krsna that “Here is God, all-attractive.” Now you say, “No, He’s not God.” Then you present your God.
Pancadravida: Well, I know just the…
Prabhupada: You cannot say, reject. They cannot reject Krsna unless you present an alternative.
Pancadravida: Well, here’s the argument. Part of the thing I remember in the Judeo tradition, Judeo-Christian tradition, in the… Whenever we used to go to service and all that, they used to have in the prayer books… They would never write out the name of God because they say…
Prabhupada: Oh, that means you do not know.
Pancadravida: No, they say God’s name should never be spoken out loud.
Pancadravida: I don’t know.
Prabhupada: This is nonsense. If you know somebody, why should you say, “His name should not be explained”?
Brahmananda: They say that God’s name is so pure and we are so impure that to utter His name is to make it impure.
Ravindra-svarupa: Is blasphemy.
Acyutananda: No, I heard the explanation that a nonbeliever should not know
it. Prabhupada: That is all right.
Acyutananda: So they don’t say it out loud.
Prabhupada: No, when we come to argument that… We are supposed to be all believers in God. We are not nonbelievers. We simply want to ascertain who is that God. We are not nonbelievers. Then some persons who believe in God come together so to ascertain who is God. So just like when we come to a meeting to elect a president, so they are not nonbelievers. They are not nonbelievers. As there are so many personalities, candidate for president, now who is the right person to become the president? That is wanted. To the nonbelievers, he has no access. About discussion in God he has no access. When we discuss about God, it is supposed they are all believers. So if you say… Just like we are holding meeting to ascertain… There are so many names of God. Now we ascertain who is real God. God means there should be no more above Him. Mattah parataram nanyat. That is God.
Visnujana: Christians have such a name. They call Him Yahweh.
Visnujana: Yahweh means “I am that I am. No one is beyond Me.”
Visnujana: They will say Yahweh is God.
Prabhupada: No, Yahweh, what is…? That is the name?
Visnujana: Name. “I am that…” It means in English, “I am that I am.”
Prajapati: Some people translate that as jehovah.
Prajapati: But it’s the same word. In fact, everyone agrees they do not know what the real name is. Some say Yahweh; some say jehovah. The Jewish tradition replaces completely and says Adonai, instead.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. He may not say. But we have to take from the meaning. What is the meaning?
Visnujana: “No one is beyond Me.”
Prabhupada: THAT’S ALL RIGHT. “NO ONE IS BEYOND ME.” THEN HE COMES TO OUR CONCLUSION, ALL-ATTRACTIVE. THIS IS… THEY COME TO OUR CONCLUSION, ALL-ATTRACTIVE. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS BEYOND HIM, THEN HE SHOULD BE ATTRACTIVE. BUT IF HE’S FINAL ATTRACTIVE, THEN ALL-ATTRACTIVE, KRSNA. KRSNA MEANS ALL-ATTRACTIVE. What do you think?”
Denying the Master
There are a number of strikingly similar parallels which both Srila Prabhupada and Jesus Christ encountered. For instance, Jesus Christ could foresee that his disciples would deny him or betray him. Srila Prabhupada could also foresee the same DENYING BY HIS OWN DISCIPLES.
Srimad Bhagavatam 4.28.48:
“Whenever an acarya comes, following the superior orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the principles of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad-gita. Religion means abiding by the orders of the Supreme personality of Godhead. Religious principles begin from the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the acarya’s duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induce everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religious principles by rendering devotional service, specifically the nine items like hearing, chanting and remembering. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE ACARYA DISAPPEARS, ROGUES AND NONDEVOTEES TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO INTRODUCE UNAUTHORIZED PRINCIPLES IN THE NAME OF SO-CALLED SVAMIS, YOGIS, PHILANTHROPISTS, WELFARE WORKERS AND SO ON.”
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, May 3, 1976, Honolulu:
Prabhupada: “And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. So they may kill me also.”
Srila Prabhupada’s “passing away” was under VERY suspicious circumstances. It appears from the statements of Srila Prabhupada in the conversation tapes (Hindi/English) he was poisoned by his leading “disciples”. Murder is a very stong possibility. In fact, Srila Prabhupada in reference to his being poisoned said, “Its possible”. (Hear From Srila Prabhupada (the essence of the poison issue).
Was Christ referring to Lord Caitanya or previous Acaryas?
Various persons have stated that Jesus Christ could be referring to Caitanya Mahaprabhu as that Holy Spirit. Some say it could be one of the previous acaryas. Interesting enough, – even some Muslims claim Mohammmed was that Holy Spirit. So In this section, I will refute ALL those claims.
Holy Bible, John 14:26:
“But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. ”
Holy Bible, John 15:26:
“When the Counsellor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. ”
Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not speak about Jesus Christ. The Acaryas, e.g., Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur just briefly touched on topics of Jesus Christ. It is ONLY Srila Prabhupada who EXTENSIVELY lays claim of THAT Holy Spirit. The CLEAR evidence is his books, CD’s, tapes.
a) will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you
b) he will testify about me.”
As for the claim Mohammed is that Holy Spirit – that does not apply since he did not guide into ALL TRUTH namely (Srimad Bhagavatam1.2.11):
“The Absolute Truth is realized in three phases of understanding by the knower of the Absolute Truth, and all of them are identical. Such phases of the Absolute Truth are expressed as Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavan. ”
Furthermore, the set-up of the Ritvik system (July 9th 1977) runs parallel to the Christians:
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 2, 1968, Seattle:
Madhudvisa: “Is there any way for a Christian to, without the help of a spiritual master, to reach the spiritual sky through believing in the words of Jesus Christ and trying to follow his teachings?
Prabhupada: I don’t follow.
Tamala Krsna: Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but by reading the Bible and following Jesus’s words, reach the…
Prabhupada: When you read Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means you are following spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is not the question of… Spiritual master is ETERNAL. Spiritual master is ETERNAL. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that “by reading Bible,” when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master REPRESENTED by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ. So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. There cannot be the question without spiritual master. Is that clear?”
Srila Prabhupada is teaching the same message: how to serve Krishna through the transparent via medium — his books(instructions).
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 1.35:
“If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is NO DIFFERENCE between the spiritual master’s instructions and the spiritual master himself. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple.
Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya 24.330:
“Similarly, a disciple’s qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master before he is accepted as a disciple. In our Krsna consciousness movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the four pillars of sinful life-illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then he is given the name of a Vaisnava servant and initiated to chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master or HIS REPRESENTATIVE for at least six months to a year. He is then recommended for a second initiation, during which a sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide brahmana.”
Further evidence of his set-up of HIS REPRESENTATIVE: Ritvik – **Representative**”.