“Who Is That Rascal?”

Aksayananda: I was recently told by one devotee that the acarya does not have to be a pure devotee.
Prabhupada: What?
Aksayananda: That the acarya does not have to be a pure devotee.
Prabhupada: Who is that rascal?
Aksayananda: Well, he said it. Who said it?
Prabhupada: Who said? Who is that rascal? The acarya does not require to be a pure devotee?
Aksayananda: He said it. Nitai said it. He said it in this context. He said that Lord Brahm is the acarya in the Brahma-sampradaya, but yet he is sometimes afflicted by passion. So therefore he is saying that it appears that the acarya does not have to be a pure devotee. So it
does not seem right.
Prabhupada: So who is that rascal? I want to know who has said.
Aksayananda: Nitai. Nitai dasa.
Harikesa: Nitai said that?
Prabhupada: Who is Nitai dasa?
Harikesa: Our Nitai.
Aksayananda: Nitai.

Prabhupada: Oh, our Nitai? Oh.
Aksayananda: He said he couldn’t understand it, but he thought, he said that he thought…
Prabhupada: He manufactured his idea. Therefore he’s a rascal.
Therefore he’s a rascal. Nitai has become an authority?
Aksayananda: No, actually he said that he thought…
Prabhupada: He thought something rascaldom, and he is expressing that. Therefore he is more rascal. These things are going on. As soon as he reads some books, he becomes an acarya, whatever rascal he may be.
Aksayananda: So there’s no doubt that Lord Brahm is a pure devotee?
Prabhupada: Whatever he may be, he is acarya. So you… Then Krsna is also passionate. Krsna is also passionate. Krsna danced with so many gopis; therefore He is passionate. They… These things are to be seen in this way, that “Such exalted person, he sometimes become passionate, so how much we shall be careful.” This is the instruction. Then we petty things, petty persons, how much we shall be careful. It is not that “Acarya has become passionate, therefore I shall become passionate. I am strict followers of acarya.” These rascals say.
Harisauri: So Lord Brahma’s being attracted to his daughter, that is just as an example…
Prabhupada: So why you discuss this? Therefore you shall be attracted with your daughter, mother? Do you think so, like that?
Aksayananda: No.
Indian man: In this world this is our disease. This is our disease.
Prabhupada: Yes. That disease… Brahma… Lord Siva also, he was attracted to the Mohini. So they are isvara. They are controllers. So the instruction is that even such personalities may be sexually attracted, so how much we shall remain careful. This is the instruction. (break) …like the other rascal. Who was saying that “Krsna was killed by a hunter; therefore hunter is greater than Krsna”?
Indian man: Raja Gopalacarya, he has written in Mahabharata that Krsna was killed by a hunter.
Prabhupada: Therefore the hunter is…
Indian man: “Krsna Passes Away,” the heading of his chapter.
Harikesa: You said about a couple of years ago that “What ordinary man would be killed if he was shot in the arrow by a heel,” I mean, “shot in the heel by an arrow?” No ordinary man dies that way.
Prabhupada: So who reads Raja Gopalacarya’s Mahabharata? (laughter) They are rotting at Bharatiya Vidyabhavan.
Aksayananda: They’re rotting in the bookshelves and the insects are eating.
Indian man: But in Somanath… I went last year there when I was in Gujarat. The people, they don’t believe, the people of Somanath, that he was killed by… like that. So these philosophers, simply for their name, they put some kind of theories so that people can, “Oh!” They can understand all this nonsense. (break)
Prabhupada: These pastimes of Krsna is to make the fools more fool. One who is thinkig of Krsna as ordinary man, Krsna is playing this part to show them, “Yes, see. I am dying, this. You see.”
Indian man: What He said? Avajananti ma mudhah.
Prabhupada: Mudha janmani janmani. He’ll remain mudha janmani janmani. This is this pastime. Life after life, he shall remain a fool, rascal. So this Raja Gopalacarya and company, they’ll remain in darkness life after life. For them this pastime is there. Avajananti ma mudh manusim tanum asritah: “The rascals, they think of Me as ordinary human being.” To such rascals, He is playing like: “Yes, you see I am ordinary human being. Just see. I am dying.” This is… To keep them life after life in darkness. If it is so easy to understand Krsna, that He is dying–Accha. “I have read it. I have seen. He has died.  “Then what is the use of saying, manusyana sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye yatatam api siddhanam? Out of many millions of persons one can understand Krsna. Then what is the use of saying this? If it is so easy to understand Krsna, what He is doing, what for He is doing, then everyone could understand Krsna. Then what is the use of saying, manusyana sahasresu? This requires intelligence.
Indian man: Bahuna janmanam.
Prabhupada: Therefore Krsna says, tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya: “One who knows, go and understand from them, from the guru.” Don’t make your interpretation, rascal. You shall remain always a rascal. Then what is the use of all these verses? If it is so easy to understand Krsna then why Krsna says, “tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya: “Then you will understand. Go to the right person who has seen.”



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