An email from Ameyatma dasa (ACBSP)
In my discussion with Gaur Keshava I asked him to address a number of questions, to which, in my view, he side skirted and never directly answered. Even he refused to answer at times. A most common tactic was to ignore my question and introduce new points and questions for me to answer that were aimed at defeating the basic premise, thus hoping to avoid having to answer the questions I had asked him that were difficult. I always addressed all new points and questions he would pose, but so many of my questions he simply failed or refused to address.
The Order Of The Spiritual Master
“The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.” (Cc Adi-lila 12:10 Translation)
“Here is the opinion of Śrīla Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless.” (Cc Adi-lila 12:10 Purport)
Told by Vaikunthanatha das (a disciple of Srila Prabhupada).
In 1972, when Prabhupada gave a series of lectures on The Nectar of Devotion for one month in Vrindavan, a thought was plaguing me. When I first joined, I’d been taught that the parampara system is like a chain, and if you’re not initiated, if you’re not linked up to this chain, then you can’t go back to Godhead. I thought, “We’re distributing so many books, but if the people who read them are not initiated, then they can’t go back to Godhead.” So, one day I followed Prabhupada from Rupa Goswami’s samadhi, where he lectured, and just before Prabhupada stepped onto his courtyard, I said, “We’re distributing so many books but if people aren’t initiated, then they can’t go back to Godhead.” Prabhupada turned, looked at me right in the eyes and said, “Just by reading my books they are initiated.” I thought, “That is an incredible example of compassion.
Vancouver, Canada – Krishna-Balarama Mandir – 8.28.2015 – night before ritvik initiations.
It is very interesting that Srila prabhupada in his purport to the famous Cc Madhya-lila 19.151 verse and to the verses that follow fully explains the circumstances which we find ourselves in today with the show-bottle, joint mess, farce that has become of ISKCON.
October 25, 2015. Adventures in New Jaipur, Prabhupadanuga Farm in Fiji
It is a late spring here in Fiji, as the cool and dry weather persists due to what scientists call the El Nino phenomenon. For several months now we are getting a good rain only once every two weeks or so, instead of the usual drenching rains every day or two. Normally, the wet season would have started by now. Nevertheless, all agricultural enterprises here and nearby are doing fairly well, while many dry and leeward areas in the islands are in a state of full drought.
After five years of residency and 10 months after application for naturalization, Nityananda das became a Fiji citizen. His family has recently applied for citizenship as well. Now we are truly becoming “locals” or “kaiviti” as it is said in the Fijian language. Fiji is quite open to foreigners taking up residency in Fiji, especially on the “assured income” basis where one simply needs at least US$100K in the bank and is able to support himself. Otherwise, many long-time “expats” have lived here on six month tourist visas, exiting and promptly returning twice a year. A round trip ticket to Auckland is about FJ$750, less to Vanuatu. (2.14 FJD to 1.00 USD)
Damaghosa Dasa —
Hare KrsnaBelow we have a few statements from sastra and Srila Prabhupada about how chanting Hare Krsna maha mantra is enacted AUTOMATICALLY from the spiritual platform-how this is so,and how it affects us, kindly read on…..
1) The Topmost Yoga System : TYS 6: The Hare Krsna Mantra :
Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is theoriginal natural energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived. ..This chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is enacted from the spiritualplatform, and thus this sound vibration surpasses all lower strata of consciousness—namelysensual, mental and intellectual. There is no need, therefore, to understand the language of themantra, nor is there any need for mental speculation nor any intellectual adjustment for chanting this mahā-mantra. It is automatic, from the spiritual platform, and as such, anyone can take part in vibrating this transcendental sound without any previous qualification
By the IRM (ISKCON Revival Movement)
1) “The Guru must be ‘living’.”
- a) Srila Prabhupada never states this. b) Srila Prabhupada never physically met the vast majority of his disciples, yet they were initiated. Thus initiations can not require the physical presence of the Guru. c) Neither have the very persons claiming we must accept them as Gurus, simply because they are ‘living’, had a ‘living’ (physically present) Guru for over 25 years. So if they have not needed a ‘living Guru’ for more than 25 years, why do their disciples?
2) “The ritvik system has never happened before.”
- a) Srila Prabhupada never states that if something has not happened before it must be rejected. b) If we rejected something simply on the basis that it has not happened before, then the first thing we must reject is the GBC’s Guru system, with its voted-in, non-Indian Gurus; a system which has never been practised before. c) There is no historical precedent for a disciple to reject an order of his Guru purely on the basis that it has no historical precedent, therefore the argument is self-contradictory.
3) “Srila Prabhupada said that everyone must ‘become Guru’.”
Yes, he did, many times. But we should “become guru” in the way he asked us to, not in the way we want. When asking us to “become Guru”, Srila Prabhupada would invariably invoke Lord Caitanya’s instruction from the Caitanya-caritamrta “amara ajnaya guru hana”. Explaining this most famous verse, Srila Prabhupada instructs: “It is best not to accept any disciples.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 7.130, purport). Also, in describing this type of Guru Srila Prabhupada said:“‘How can I become guru?’ There is no need of qualification… Whomever you meet, you simply instruct what Krsna has said.” (Lecture, 21/5/76); and also: “Anyone can do. A child can do.” (Conversation, 11/5/77). So clearly he was not ordering his disciples to accept their own disciples, but merely to preach, act as siksa or instructing Gurus and initiate on his behalf.
“In the Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa it is said that one who observes fasting on Ekādaśī day is freed from all kinds of reactions to sinful activities and advances in pious life. The basic principle is not just to fast, but to increase one’s faith and love for Govinda, or Kṛṣṇa. The real reason for observing fasting on Ekādaśī is to minimize the demands of the body and to engage our time in the service of the Lord by chanting or performing similar service. The best thing to do on fasting days is to remember the pastimes of Govinda and to hear His holy name constantly.”